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Are you willing to die to win your "Revolution"?

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posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 04:02 AM
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I have a strong view on this one here folks. I definately would be willing to die in defense of my rights(not priveledges) as handed down from our forefathers. The Declatation of Independance and Bill of Rights and Constitution clearly define our powers against a tyraneous government. It is not only our right but as defined in the Declaration of Independance it is our duty to seize a government that is tyraneous in order to replace the government heads with ones that are not corrupt. Furthermore, to renew the rights unto the land.

In other words if they take any more of my rights then all gloves are coming off. I am an American and treasure the rights we have, like right to worship any God I want, or my right to own and carry a firearm. If either of those rights are attempted whatsoever to be taken away, I will be guarenteed a revolutionary because I believe in America and have great Love and Respect for all of the men and women that have given their lives for our freedoms. I will defend these rights to the death period.

If you won't, then I would say that you are a coward, not an American, and really named Ben Dover. I am no leader of any revolution at the time, but if push comes to shove then, yes I am. I mean it every time I pledge alegience to the flag and will act out my beliefs even to the death.

There can come no legal action for my stance either because the government knows I will win. The founding documents of the USA verify everthing I have said as both right and definately legal.

Some other things the government cannot do is tell us what we can and cannot put in our body like drugs and herbs or even foods. The only real power of the government is to protect and facilitate freedom period.
They have no rights to any business or in any business for that is socialism. The United States is not a socialist country, we are capitalists. We have classes in our society, not because they are better than you but because they did something that made them money. If you don't like it get off your butt and do something yourself like they did.

I am sick of all the wussies that will not stand up for their God given rights.
So, yes I would die for this, I would kill for this, and if someone who happens to be an American citizen wants to promote Communism=Socialism, and come up against me during said revolution they are history. I will not distinguish between a domestic invader and a foreign one for neither have any rights here. So if you won't stand up in a situation like that, you do not belong in America and you are by definition both a coward and an enemy to the USA.

If you want socialism go to the European Union and leave us alone, because to take our rights is to awaken a sleeping giant, and believe me he is in the House. Bring it on you stupid Socailsts.




posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 04:32 AM
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Well it's easy for me to die for a cause, not just the cause of one country but for humanity! I have no wife, no kids, no business.

Just tell my mom, dad, and sis that I fought well and died doing the very thing I loved - fighting for a good reason!



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by SchefSalad

This is what i'm trying to generally get across is that it really isn't a time for a great division between Americans. In the dark times why would we fight against eachother then talk honestly to one another and come to some general agreement. It shouldn't be "let me get what i want or so help me god i will not support you" We have to work to find the best possible way to fix OUR situation. Not by revolution but by us talking like we are now. There will never be a need for irrational violence when we really should be intelligent enough to talk to each other.


We are talking about revolution.

You are talking about civil war.

We've been talking for years. (Yes even before Obama was elected.)

You're not listening to us. If you did hear us, you called us crazy nuts.

We say no more tax increases.

You say where is my stimulus check?

If you believe there to be such a thing as irrational violence, then surely you must admit there to be such a thing as rational violence.

We are intelligent enough to talk to each other

We are not intelligent enough to listen and understand each other.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 04:57 AM
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its a lot tougher call than either of the opposing sides here are willing to admit.no one can say the way things are going the crooks we have in washington have our best interests in mind.where its all headed?well there
are a lot of coffins in Georgia .but to just outright declare a revolution? i mean .how would you even begin something like that. w/out being realised
immediatly.i do now one thing if we don't do something most of us are dead meat.because they absolutly do want most of us dead.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 05:06 AM
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to seize a government
please describe how you would go about this?



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 05:38 AM
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Winston Churchill said "if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not to costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case, you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves."
I have lost count how many times I have used that quote? But for me it sums up todays situation not just in the US but here in the UK too.
So for me the anwser is a resounding YES! If the people of the UK decide it's time to remove the gangsters from Parliment Square I will be there!



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 06:25 AM
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Even Thomas Jefferson stated that our country needs a good revolution every 20 years or so to keep it honest. By that standard we are long overdue.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 07:50 AM
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I consider myself as a human being with great responsibility for how I live my life. Based on my experiences with them, people are basically good at heart. We all want the same basic things and once we achieve the basics, we yearn for more. The yearning is well and good until someone else decides that my yearnings are a threat to them and their yearnings.

Groups of people have never been able to coexist peacefully for long. The thing that is so frightening about our current times, is that those whose power to suppress my yearnings have been posted in their postions not by me or you, but by cheating and lying.

These days information is withheld or twisted to create a contradictory point of view and people are frustrated with it. We have a military/industrial/phama monstrosity at the end stages of complete control. Some react with fear and resignation to this drama. Others react with integrity and dignity arisen from personal values. In the end, morals and values are diminished by the contrived, oppressive cloud of fear and retalliation.

Who actually "yearns" to be singled out from the crowd sacrificing themselves on behalf of others who can't overcome their fear of retaliation? Through the control of information, my yearnings for a better life are now a threat to the controllers. That is wrong, that is not freedom, that is simple oppression.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 07:52 AM
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the true patriots of USA must rebel and overthrow the rothschild-rockefeller-trotskyite monster that has hijacked it



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Angel One
If you want socialism go to the European Union and leave us alone, because to take our rights is to awaken a sleeping giant, and believe me he is in the House. Bring it on you stupid Socailsts.


LOL.

Yeah. That is what democracy is all about.

Majority should bow to the will of minority and if that does not happen they will cry and pout till the end of time and threaten to all with revolution, scary, lol



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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I think youve got that wrong. Here in our american "democracy" or whathaveyou, the majority DOES bow to the minority of the wealthy elite. But when the majority steps out of line, its not crying and boo hooing they get...its bullets and prison, rape and torture. 'Ware that line. They dont fool around.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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The only way anyone on this site will die to win their revolution is if they die at their keyboards.

Somebody may start an uprising, but it won't be anyone here. The people here won't join in anything that will put them in harms way. I would be willing to bet that 99% or the people here who are saying they would die will be the first ones to do exactly what they are told while others do the fighting.

I await the keyboard commandos retaliation.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 03:16 PM
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This is an outright attack on us. You have such strong revolutionaries on here such as dooper and SgtChas who have fought and bled already in wars and demand our freedom back yet you say they do nothing?

You project yourself on everyone. While us revolutionaries are out on the streets handing out fliers to support out new Declaration and waking more people up, we have to wade through layers of crap like this topic that are produced methodically of people making claims of something they know nothing about.

The only reason you see us on these forums is for common sense. The internet has become the single farthest reaching method of communication that history has presented and we plan to use that to our advantage just like the government has to brainwash so many people. We spread out words and our goals and the glory of a truly free America and many listen, but many spit on us like those in this topic.

You call us armchair warriors and "keyboard commandos" simply because you couldn't imagine something bigger than yourself out there, that these guys that are preaching couldn't possible lift up a finger - as if we would run and hide when all hells breaks lose.


You are wrong. You are dead wrong. When will people start to realize that there is something BIGGER than themselves in this world. That not ALL people are obsessed with the materials you live by, with the lies you are fed, and there are those out there that see the big picture and will stop at nothing to change that picture.

You can make your claims all you want that we do nothing, that we will continue to do nothing, but it will not affect me. It will not affect any of us who know that we have already done ten time more than the average American would choose to do in their lifetime. They would much rather take what they are given, aspire for more, and never achieve then to have to work for something that should have been theirs in the first place.


As I continue to say, for those who say there is nothing wrong or the changes that have been made are necessary, there will be a time when you will eat your words. It will be at that time that you will admit that you were wrong and you DO deserve the rights guaranteed to you... or you can continue to defend the government which has bread and raised you to do just that.

Your choice in the end. Regardless, us "keyboard commandos" will be there to give a helping hand, regardless of the slander thrown against us. That is just who we are... at least that is who I am.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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I am in the same category as dooper and SgtChaos. I have fought, bled and lost very close friends in wars in other countries. I am also proud of my continuing service. I am currently sceduled to head back to the sand box in a few months and am proud to serve again.

That doesn't change how I feel about the 99% of you who claim that you are willing to die to win a revolution.

That 99% will blog on the internet about it and will wait for someone else to do the dirty work. When it comes to actually doing anything about it, they will be invisible, except for their words that are safely written from the safety of their computer chair.

If you feel this is an attack on you personally then I imagine you feel that you are part of that 99%.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 06:30 PM
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I don't take it as a personal attack, I take it as a discrediting to those that would willingly give so much for so little in return. Some of these people who would fight might not have family or friends to protect, they just might do it because they feel it to be the right thing.

Why chastise them for something there is no proof of? Why try to bring morale down before it even has a chance to thrive?

It seems there are those that see revolution as a true possibility and don't ignore it as active in our country's history, and then there are those that like to quiet the minorities and tell them to go back to sleep. Yet I can never figure out why. Why attack us so? As I said before, the American people are not our enemy; and though a revolution would indeed mean lower standards of living for all at least in the short term, the future generations would certainly be grateful that they might be able to lead truly free lives.

Anyone who isn't selfish would think about the future. Otherwise, the movement is for naught.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 07:07 PM
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Gwydionblack . . . good stuff sir. I salute you.

I will gladly have my life taken for what I believe in.

Armchair warrior, I am not.

Funny how you all were given all the proofs, you need, but you all choose to ignore it.

Fail bait thread



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by TheLoony



Are you willing to die to win your "Revolution"?


I'm dead if I don't do anything, aren't I? The way things are going there seems to be no way around it. Might as well die trying to fix the problem than to sit around and let it happen.

Where's that Jefferson quote when I need it? "All it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing". Right, wasn't that Jefferson? Whoever it was, they had the right idea. Sad thing is, I am just one guy sitting in my room. I have no one to rebel with so my death would be in vain right now. I need a revolution to join, it hasn't started yet. Until then, I'll just wait. I can't start it, no one listens to me.

So, whatever happens, happens. If I die trying, then at least I wasn't sitting on my ass when the time came. Although I do wonder if the time has come and passed.



Yes.
But not willingly.
I feel that there are a multitude of people waiting to join the fight.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:26 PM
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edit on 20-6-2009 by gwydionblack]

are you serious? so you're starting a revolution against, what? soap operas?

You honestly think anyone that posts here honestly watches reality TV or soaps? You've got the wrong crowd.



"You are sitting here, complaining about people who are TRYING to make your life better." What are you talking about? With all due respect, you are sitting here on a conspiracy theory forum trying to convince 3 or so people about how revolutionary you are. c'mon.

Again, not insulting you but I don't think you will ever do anything. There will not be a revolution in your life time, possibly ever in this country again. I'd like to think we're moving away from acting like apes and moving towards a world based on science and law.

I don't understand how you're willing to die from something you probably don't even completely know. Obviously you believe the government is bad or whatever. I can't even tell what you've made yourself believe. Maybe you've seen some conspiracy documentaries on google videos, maybe you've even read a book or too on government/revolutionary history ect. But you don't really know do you? To want to act based on a feeling is like acting out a war based on faith. No better. There's something in your gut telling you you're right but maybe you need to consider that this is the way things are and you're just going to have to make with the rest of America and make the most out of it/GET OVER IT.

In the end the only thing you should be revolting against is your confused ideology and poor knowledge of what government/America actually is. I know you probably mean well but my god you are wasting your time. You are not a revolutionary.

Do you honestly think that your vote counts anymore? It is FIXED. Trust me.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by SchefSalad
Where were you big time patriots 4 years ago, 8 years ago. When an election was decided by supreme court and not by the people. Where were you? no where to be found. Silent and bowing. Where were you when the Patriot Act was passed? When our government allowed itself to intercept our calls and invade our privacy? No where to be found. Where were you when our constitutional rights were actually being threatened. You sat and ate up everything they fed you.
After 9-11 you were so scared that you just gave away your power and let the powers just walk all over you. So when actual rights are being taken you smile and ask for more but when they raise taxes to try to fix a situation caused by the previous administrations lack of paying attention to real criminals who were robbing the public. You know why they didn't keep an eye on it because, it would somehow benefit them.

So where were you when the money lenders and politicians and lobbyist were spending your future, my future on bS nonsense, more houses than one person could live in thoroughly in his entire life. Where were you? Blind as usual. Hypocritical as usual. The one man who has enough balls to actually take on the task of a failing economy, 2 maybe 3 wars, unrest around the world, and a particular dislike for the country due to the past couple of years of bad government. It took 8 years to make the mess, its going to take more to pull out of it. And considering that now our economy as drags the rest of the world with us doesn't make it any better. Where the hell were you when all of this was happening? Where were our patriots then? The real Patriots were in the streets getting bashed by your fox news and all your propaganda. Your revolution is a bogus one.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by SchefSalad]


AH! So you do agree that the whole system is corrupt?

You know our real problem is that NO ONE! has got the guts to do anything about it!
Look at the Iranians, maybe if Americans had half the guts that they do, something would get done!



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by SchefSalad
Where were you big time patriots 4 years ago, 8 years ago. When an election was decided by supreme court and not by the people. Where were you? no where to be found. Silent and bowing. Where were you when the Patriot Act was passed? When our government allowed itself to intercept our calls and invade our privacy? No where to be found. Where were you when our constitutional rights were actually being threatened. You sat and ate up everything they fed you.
After 9-11 you were so scared that you just gave away your power and let the powers just walk all over you. So when actual rights are being taken you smile and ask for more but when they raise taxes to try to fix a situation caused by the previous administrations lack of paying attention to real criminals who were robbing the public. You know why they didn't keep an eye on it because, it would somehow benefit them.

So where were you when the money lenders and politicians and lobbyist were spending your future, my future on bS nonsense, more houses than one person could live in thoroughly in his entire life. Where were you? Blind as usual. Hypocritical as usual. The one man who has enough balls to actually take on the task of a failing economy, 2 maybe 3 wars, unrest around the world, and a particular dislike for the country due to the past couple of years of bad government. It took 8 years to make the mess, its going to take more to pull out of it. And considering that now our economy as drags the rest of the world with us doesn't make it any better. Where the hell were you when all of this was happening? Where were our patriots then? The real Patriots were in the streets getting bashed by your fox news and all your propaganda. Your revolution is a bogus one.

[edit on 21-6-2009 by SchefSalad]


AH! So you do agree that the whole system is corrupt?

You know our real problem is that NO ONE! has got the guts to do anything about it!
Look at the Iranians, maybe if Americans had half the guts that they do, something would get done!




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