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Are you willing to die to win your "Revolution"?

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posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 05:39 PM
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I was just wondering. I have noticed the climate of this entire site now (sadly) is plagued with talk of this American revolution. So i want to ask these "Freedom Fighters" if they are willing to die for this cause? Are you willing to leave your families, your friends , your life behind to die in a cause that has limited to no backing. Take a look at the people who are posting these. They are the same few people (I smell conspiracy). Are the self proclaimed leaders of this movement willing to be killed or better yet kill American's? I feel that as some peoples confusion continues to grow in the turmoil of the economic crisis they will turn to these "enlightened" leaders that would happily lead innocent and confused people to slaughter. Don't get me wrong I feel that the revolutionaries face a great task. They will have to wipe-out the Coast Guard first, The Army, FBI, CIA and then the General American Populous. Much respect goes from me to the freedom fighters. I just hope they have a great force otherwise it'll probably look a lot like the Somalian Pirates, a couple of armed people taken out in under a minute.




posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 06:16 PM
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I'll lay down my life for my beliefs but not for America. I would never lay down my life for America.

I'll do it without guns.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 06:29 PM
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I'd also do it without guns. If my home was under attack by a real threat id defend America. The revolutionaries seem to want violence for the country and against its own countrymen.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 06:44 PM
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They are the same few people (I smell conspiracy). Are the self proclaimed leaders of this movement willing to be killed or better yet kill American's?


Am I missing something...

I haven't seem any self proclaimed leaders of a revolution here on ATS. We're all a bunch of brainwashed sheeple just like everyone else. No one here is advocating a revolution, that would be stupid. Everyone knows there are disinfo agents posting on these bords. Nope, no revolutionaries here...



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 06:51 PM
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No. When you commit to evil as a means to an ends, the greater evil always wins.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 07:14 PM
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Stop it, you're messing with the New American Revolution's (snort) romantic vision of being oppressed freedom fighters trying to save their families and guns and churches from the insidious socialist (I'm sorry, I meant communist...or was that liberal? Or foreigners? Nonchristians? I'm not sure which it is anymore) menace.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 07:22 PM
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I know i mean the people they fight against a terrifying as well as extremely violent race of people. They could never have an opinion that one should listen to.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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I am more then willing to die for it. If it helps and gives my freinds and family a chance at a better life and a better america, i would certainly give my life for them.

I am a Freedom fighter on stand by. If and when it starts, i will be ready.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 09:31 PM
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I love how some of you make a mockery for what us "Revolutionaries" stand for. You sit in your little homes watching your soaps and reality television, and you believe every word that comes out of the fat lips of the upper enchelon about how "things are getting better" and we are "the greatest country in the world."

While we are out trying to make a difference, think about what you are doing for a moment. You are sitting here, complaining about people who are TRYING to make your life better. You would probably complain if I gave you 1000 bucks because it was "too green".

The fact of the matter is this. I would gladly die for my beliefs. A strong portion of my beliefs rests within the Constitution of the United States of America, not because they are privileges given to us, but because they are our God given rights solidified in time on a document that gives meaning and hope to a life worth living. So yes, I would die for this "revolution" you speak of.

The ones we would be fighting may have been fellow Americans, but we are not fighting without cause. We are not barbarians who would kill without reason. Each and every person who stands in the way of the Constitution commits treason, an act which when punished by our almighty overseers in government is cheered and applauded. However, when such accounts are brought towards those people felt to be our leaders, the "books" are quietly pushed to the side and we are left fighting "our own countrymen".



We are willing to die, and I am sure I speak for most. The sad part is that it will take the lives of many who are not willing before people like those in this topic finally open their eyes and see the real reason in which we are fighting for.




-Edited for spelling.

[edit on 20-6-2009 by gwydionblack]



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 10:03 PM
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I tend to think that the beliefs that I have about my God given rights and liberties as a human not coinciding with the rules of the governing powers of this country will eventualy cause my death either through fighting a hopeless battle or from a broken heart knowing that I became one of the boot licking, sniveling, cowardly, idiotic, TRULY hopeless SOBs by not fighting for my freedom.

Seeing that everyone eventualy dies, I would much rather die for the idea of freedom than live without it...... and still eventualy die.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by gwydionblack
I love how some of you make a mockery for what us "Revolutionaries" stand for. You sit in your little homes watching your soaps and reality television, and you believe every word that comes out of the fat lips of the upper enchelon about how "things are getting better" and we are "the greatest country in the world."

While we are out trying to make a difference, think about what you are doing for a moment. You are sitting here, complaining about people who are TRYING to make your life better. You would probably complain if I gave you 1000 bucks because it was "too green".

The fact of the matter is this. I would gladly die for my beliefs. A strong portion of my beliefs rests within the Constitution of the United States of America, not because they are privileges given to us, but because they are our God given rights solidified in time on a document that gives meaning and hope to a life worth living. So yes, I would die for this "revolution" you speak of.

The ones we would be fighting may have been fellow Americans, but we are not fighting without cause. We are not barbarians who would kill without reason. Each and every person who stands in the way of the Constitution commits treason, an act which when punished by our almighty overseers in government is cheered and applauded. However, when such accounts are brought towards those people felt to be our leaders, the "books" are quietly pushed to the side and we are left fighting "our own countrymen".



We are willing to die, and I am sure I speak for most. The sad part is that it will take the lives of many who are not willing before people like those in this topic finally open their eyes and see the real reason in which we are fighting for.




-Edited for spelling.

[edit on 20-6-2009 by gwydionblack]


are you serious? so you're starting a revolution against, what? soap operas?

You honestly think anyone that posts here honestly watches reality TV or soaps? You've got the wrong crowd.

We make our voices heard by voting, and unless you're pompous enough to assume that you know what's best for America (and the rest of the country is clueless) then that should be fine.

"You are sitting here, complaining about people who are TRYING to make your life better." What are you talking about? With all due respect, you are sitting here on a conspiracy theory forum trying to convince 3 or so people about how revolutionary you are. c'mon.

Again, not insulting you but I don't think you will ever do anything. There will not be a revolution in your life time, possibly ever in this country again. I'd like to think we're moving away from acting like apes and moving towards a world based on science and law.

I don't understand how you're willing to die from something you probably don't even completely know. Obviously you believe the government is bad or whatever. I can't even tell what you've made yourself believe. Maybe you've seen some conspiracy documentaries on google videos, maybe you've even read a book or too on government/revolutionary history ect. But you don't really know do you? To want to act based on a feeling is like acting out a war based on faith. No better. There's something in your gut telling you you're right but maybe you need to consider that this is the way things are and you're just going to have to make with the rest of America and make the most out of it/GET OVER IT.

In the end the only thing you should be revolting against is your confused ideology and poor knowledge of what government/America actually is. I know you probably mean well but my god you are wasting your time. You are not a revolutionary.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 06:28 AM
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I totally agree with you Molotov. I am sick of people on here taking about oppression, the New World Order and how they need to "take action".

Oppression is being shot for not saluting your leader as you walk down the street (like the Nazis did), oppression is being beaten for shaving off your beard or listening to music (Taliban), oppression is being shot for speaking out and your family having to pay for the bullets (China).

Being able to vote for who you want, go where you want, live how you want and even go onto this website at will, is not oppression and no-one should die or be hurt fighting against it.

A willingness to die for a belief does not make it more valid.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 06:35 AM
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Real revolution is easy.
Everybody print m like governments do.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:18 AM
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Americans - well you dont want to take us on ... on the field of battle -- thats for sure ... there is not a force on earth that can adapt quicker and be more lethal than our well equiped and trained military... and as long as we keep this stern face and heavy club ... well we can kick most countries rear ends... except for two ... China and Russia ... these two once Foes have made it a too close to call engagement if one ever materializes.
Speaking as an Average American ... I have nothing but thanks for Russia and I have nothing but wiery mis trust of china ... tenimen square ... and I can not recall when china came to America's aid... where as Russia has intentionally intraviened more than once or twice to prevent the unnecessary death of Americans... I think they protect us more than our own government -- but who knows exactly what the circumstances are of these florence nightingale acts Russia has a moral compass where as China has a moral wallet...

Let me explain, I use to believe in truth justice and the American way... and then 911 happenend, and further I learned of 1953, 1962, 1967-USS Liberty and 1898 USS Maine... I wonder who side our government is own if its not ours. and then a wise man showed me the Devil in Washington and then the lord showed me the way ... we are a force for evil not one of peace as we fight for this entity of evil we are temporarily given this liberty and freedom with catch 22 results on all rights, we must fight to remain Free and they really mean it... and now we are weiry of this entity after we have discovered lies, murder, drugs, media control, and now we are awake in the real world in a land of ultimate evil... where the governments in which we have conquered do terrorist attacks on its own population to force its agenda, and then uses media to brainwash the masses into blindly following this evil entity.... and there we are left with one or two Undeniable Rights given to us as creatures created by God.
We The People and Freedom of Speech ... so, I want someone to read this and think about it and post it for all to see and understand....
We The People make the Laws of This Land... PERIOD ...
the 16th Ammendment is Illegal - lets replace it with a Legal Ammendment... one that allows The People to Polygraph anyone who accepts Public Funds... the question should be revealing yet, patriotic and difficult to defeat... lets say the question is: Have you served the citizens of this country with Honesty and Integrity... and no one gets hired unless they know what these two things are... and then from that moment - we can spot these Zionist Collaborators and take effective action... until you figure out who is who... you can not solve this issue that we face in this country... we are they - they are us... until the bullets start blazing and then unfortunately -- if your in Uniform you will be a target ... and that is the sad thing... innocent people will perrish because of this mixing the enemy has accomplished over time... just like Ron Paul said.... words of freedom actions of enslavement...

[edit on 21-6-2009 by BornPatriot]

[edit on 21-6-2009 by BornPatriot]



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:33 AM
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I seriously doubt that anyone wants to fight "their own countrymen". However some of our "own countrymen" would sell us into slavery if given the opportunity, and from some people's perspectives, that is exactly what is happening. Freedom is not free. Whether or not it happens anytime soon, there will come a day which friends of liberty will take up arms against their oppressors.... no matter what your opinions are.

It is the manner in which this nation (the U.S.A.) was born. It is in this manner that this nation will survive. For although "voting" and such is a great idea, there also comes a time when it doesn't work anymore. Our current system of government is broken.

As for NWO and such, maybe it exists, maybe it doesn't. Regardless, we are all victims of our own economic and political systems. There is no perfect system. Many have their fine points and all eventually fail. The common factor of each that brings failure is greed, either within the system or from outside the system.

We are approaching a crossroads, we can reclaim our liberty, or we can relinquish what liberty we have left.

It is revolution we want. Not civil war. I don't think you know the difference.
However, they are taking our liberty by force.... so then we too may very well require use of force to take it back.

I tried to find a quote about a man being called a traitor by many, only later to be called a patriot by all. I had no luck remembering/finding that quote, but did place a few below for your enjoyment.

Study history people! Why do you think the U.S.A. exists at all?





The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.





The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.





Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains or slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take but as for me; give me liberty or give me death!





Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.





If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will Lose its freedom: and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that, too.





It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from his government.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:41 AM
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bait thread..

second line..



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 07:48 AM
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I can't say I will die for America as I'm not American, but I will give my life for things I believe in. And personnaly I believe this world is F'ed up and It's totally going down. I'm not a doomsdayer but this is simply fact, I can't possebly see how this whole story suddenly is going to get better.

the error is within the human, and the human mentality will have to change before we can finaly live in a good way. And the only way our mentality's get effected is if bad things happen on a global scale. I will die for the right cause always as I'm not afraid of death.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:31 AM
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Patriots, are your freedoms really being taken away? Or is it delusional theory created by the panicky and paranoid. I live right by D.C. and i can tell you that troops aren't walking up and down the streets knocking in doors, taking people from their homes or anything of the such. I think (in my opinion) is that we've been free for so long now that we don't actually know what it feels like to be oppressed. For Americans freedom is our bread and butter. Some people are so closed minded to the rest of the world whos issues are either worse or are in the same boat as us. Can any patriot actually say that they are being oppressed. I can walk out of my house walk right into Philadelphia and start speaking right in front of Independence Hall and express my opinion. I want one patriot who says they're being oppressed enough to revolt, to give me the story of how they're rights are being taken. You want a gun, go get one. You want to speak or publish something, do it. You know if this was another country i guarantee that if the 5-0 heard some of you talking about a revolt i'm pretty sure your voice would be lost to the wind real quick. Are you too spoiled to open your damn eyes. Too much freedom i guess for some. Its scary you can do whatever you'd like (within reason) but goddamnit that just isn't enough. Maybe the revolutionaries are just bored and they figure they'll just talk about taking over the country. Speaking of communist. man the patriots are turning into the things they are against.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:36 AM
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NOPE! I am NOT willing to die for my revolution. Im willing the OTHER poor bastard dies holding on to a failed form of government!



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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There are those who LEAD
There are those who FOLLOW
There are those who will let others fight their battles for them.....

"I would rather Die On My Feet then Serve On My Knees"





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