Apologize for Slavery? Why?, page 3
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reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 04:35 PM by grapesofraft
reply to post by Doc Velocity



I dont mind apologizing if it eases some of the feeling of hurt they have. I dont understand why they feel that way but I cant say they dont really feel that way, so might as well try to ease their pain.

So if there is anybody on here that was a slave or had a slave ancestor i am trully sorry that anyone had to go through that.

Now having said that when did the Republican party get a racial scab. That sounds like something you get after a night of naked fun with a KKK member.

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican for God's sake.

So now Republicans are racist because most of us dont like Affirmative Action or Welfare?

[edit on 20-6-2009 by grapesofraft]


reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 04:37 PM by mikerussellus
Being the only human alive that is over 300 years old, I would like to submit my formal apology.
What can I say?

My bad.

I'm just glad there is no more slaver. . . huh? You mean to tell me that there is still racial hatred in Africa? That different tribes are killing, mutilating, enslaving each other?

Well, at least here in America we don't have. . . huh?. . . You're kidding, right? There is still class warfare going on in this country? Isn't that like slavery? I mean one class of elitists ruling over another? They certainly couldn't be doing that!
Didn't some guys a while back write something about all men created equal?
Ohhhh, equal, ONLY if you went to the right schools and gave to the right charities and eat at only the right places. . . well those damn republica. . . . what do you mean it's not the republicans? Who else. . .. the DEMACRATS? Well the evil republicans got trounced during the civil rights move. . . . oh you have GOT to be kidding me? The democrats, AGAIN?
Well at least they are apologizing and to think it only took them 150 years. Since I'm 300, I should apologize as well but I did it 150 years ago. I wanted to clear the air back then, less tension in the room, sort of thing...

So now where are the apologies for the indians, irish, scottish, polish, greek, hawaiians, catholics, jews, mormons, innuits, handicapped, over-weight, gays, people who stutter, lefties, the people who drive straight with turn signals on, any woman who spent 5 minutes alone with Bill Clinton, anyone who thinks Dane Cook is funny, and the guy who invented the cheese log.

North Korea is going to nuke Hawaii, Iran is going to i mplode, we have a war in Iraq, a war in Afghanistan, unemployment is shooting through the roof, our economy is in the tank, the government is controlling everything, and. . . and the ONLY FRACKIN' THING TO COME OUT OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES IS AN APOLOGY FOR SLAVERY?

-sigh-

-I need a drink-

[edit on 20-6-2009 by mikerussellus]


reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 04:47 PM by grapesofraft
reply to post by misfitoy



I want reparations from the Aliens that keep waking me and probing me. I will take a spaceship with laser cannons capable of destroying whole planets at a time, a couple of hot, horny alien babes, and a few hundred bottles of Jack Daniels and I will call it even.


reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 04:54 PM by misfitoy
reply to post by exile1981



Ahh, ok... couldn't remember which show, lol.
Thanks for the correction!

See ~ didn't I just say humans will continue to make mistakes?
I iz a perfeckt xample.




[edit on 20-6-2009 by misfitoy]



reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 05:28 PM by Lasheic
You know... I re-read the article and, it seems to me, that this apology is really kind of a backhanded move. The article states that this apology originated from the Senate, following one from the House of Representatives just last year. The apologies were essentially the same, except that this new apology had a caveat to it. That it, in no way, is issued with the intent or effect to further reparations/restitution cases.

The impression I get is, that it seems as though the House offered the apology last year - and now that Barak Obama is in office, some people may be frightened that he or someone in his administration (or a powerful black leader may pressure him) will use the apology issued by the House as a way to push the reparations issue. This apology was issued as a preemptive move to squelch any use of apology as leverage for reparations. The House is currently looking into revising it's own apology to conform to the Senate version.

Basically, it's a "The US government is truly very sorry for enabling the spiritual breaking and harsh bondage your ancestors endured at our hands, but don't expect to see that reparation money anytime soon." statement.

So anyone thinking this is a heartfelt and genuine apology out of the bottom of their hearts... you're wrong. I'm sure it was genuine, but there are strings attached. There's an ulterior motive to it. Anyone thinking this is going to mean diddly squat to the furtherance of the reparations struggle, is probably misinterpreting the statement.

In this light, it's kind of a slap in the face... because the taint of ulterior motive corrodes the sincerity of the apology. Though I could be way off on this. After all, the Senate approved the statement unanimously - meaning several black members of the Senate approved the statement. Either they're all shameless Uncle Toms, or there was real sincerity behind it. Otherwise, I think someone would have spoke up out of a sense of moral obligation - or would have used it as a show act to further their standing among black voters in their district.


reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 07:32 PM by Lasheic
reply to post by wyleecoyote




We live in a country where a black man is the president, this is a wonderful thing and says a lot about our nation. Therefore I don't want to hear anyone whining about discrimination anymore.


/facepalm


Well if that's the case, then let's just promote all the different minorities to run for President. Each subsequent term we'll have elections for Asians, Women, Latinos, Native Americans, Jews, Arabs, Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Atheists.... you know, get every single minority into the White House for a bit. Do it all back to back so we can get it over with as quickly as possible and usher in this new era of peace and love and friendship where racism and discrimination are only memories and we are all brothers and sisters in love, peace, and equality. We can stack some of them up... like an Atheist Latino Woman. How's that sound?

Occupying the office of the President is not, in any way, an indication of the eradication of bigotry and hatred.

(And I'm sure quite a few of you cringed at the initial idea of an "Atheist Latino Woman" - despite the fact that nothing is said about the qualifications or positions of such a person. Where did that cringe come from?)

[edit on 20-6-2009 by Lasheic]


reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 08:12 PM by Lasheic
reply to post by greeneyedleo



Your first example is a state apology. Virginia does not, nor does any state individually, speak for the Federal Government as an institution. The second example, from 2008, I mentioned above. This new apology may have been prompted as a way to provoke changes in the apology given by the House last year so that they cannot be used for leverage in obtaining reparations.

... according to the article anyhow.

Would be humorous to see Barak Obama offer a third apology for the United States Government, from the executive branch. The juxtaposition of a black man offering his apologies to the descendants of slaves on behalf of the executive branch for the actions of the US Government would be ... amusing, and perhaps even somewhat powerful and egocentric.


reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 09:15 PM by secretagent woooman
reply to post by octotom


I support the proclamation, it is long overdue, but barring its use from lawsuits is a great idea. All those would do is tear open some wounds that probably would cause the next civil war. There are far more of us mixed bloods in this country than you would think or probably even be able to estimate, if you are one of the millions of mixed Indian-whites you probably also have black blood if your roots are in the west or south. Indians were involved in slavery with the whites, and intermarried with freedmen and runaway slaves. Having even 15 or 20 percent of the population qualify for a class action suit or settlement would be disastrous even for a strong economy, let alone now; I'd bet that at least 50 percent of the country actually may qualify depending on what ethnicities are excluded since European slaves were imported as labor.

Then comes the inevitable scale to compare blood quantums to gauge how destructive slavery was to each group and the first to go will be those who "pass for white" since they "have access" to economic opportunities "blacks" do not. Next will be those of generations of biracial ancestry, especially the descendants of pre- and post-Civil War era quadroons and octoroons who had more economic opportunities than slaves. Then the descendants of "house slaves" who were perceived as having more opportunities than field workers.

In all honesty, having spent time around working and lower class white, black and mixed neighborhoods the worst thing you could do for any of them is to pour free money into them because it's going to get smoked, shot up or drunk and that leads to BIG problems when money runs out. People also get "drunk" on spending, I've seen that with friends who have won small settlements and wound up in severe debt from binge spending.
I just hope this proclamation is not a case of putting a bandaid on an amputation which it looks to be.


reply posted on 20-6-2009 @ 09:26 PM by secretagent woooman
reply to post by Lasheic


That scenario would not play out, nonwhites who achieve high positions in this country do so by acting "white." We could point out all of the black mayors and police chiefs who do not but that wouldn't work because those towns generally are hellholes. Newark, anyone? I'd rather vacation in Mogadishu than ever set foot there again.
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