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Originally posted by eMachine
I think that the system of our society is mostly 'patriarchal', the man-made infrastructure and the ideology that goes with it. Even our modern idea of equality is more or less telling women to be more like men, rather than respecting women for their natural differences.
Originally posted by amazed
edit to add, and the women who are sexist towards their own sex. Jeesh grow up. Men are not smarter than women or vice versa. Nor are ALL men stronger than ALL women. We do have women firefighters who are far better at their job than men.
Originally posted by Sonya610
As far as physical strenght is concerned, sheesh what color is the sky on your PC Planet? Maybe a 240 Amazon woman is stronger than a 110 lb male, but among similar populations men are 3.5 times stronger than women on average. That is fact, and no amount of PC wishful thinking willchange that. Any woman that does NOT believe that is an idiot and hopefully will never be attacked by a rogue male.
Analyzing data from 2,404 individuals "California Verbal Learning Test " concluded that "When mediating variables were controlled, gender differences tended to disappear on tests for which there was a male advantage and to magnify on tests for which there was a female advantage."
Originally posted by amazed
Did you purposefully miss the "not ALL men are stronger than ALL women?" Guess so
Let me tell you something, I am very feminine, BUT even so when I was a young woman, I was stronger than MOST men I knew. I could bench press more, win at arm wrestling, run faster and was stronger. But guess what, I am just a little over five ft, and was petite, tiny, and oh so cute. So, I was not the "amazon" you have in your mind, but I sure was not the weakling female either.
Originally posted by eMachine
The "weakling female" idea is a misconception, and a very sad one.
While the "strongest" woman may not be able to beat the "strongest" man, in competitions that are based on the more masculine physical attributes, the feminine does not equate to "weaker".
We have the babies, for Christ's sake! And we can do it perfectly without modern "pain relief" (I did with my 2nd child). We are most certainly not designed to be "weaker", we are just strong in other ways.
Originally posted by eMachine
The "weakling female" idea is a misconception, and a very sad one.
We have the babies, for Christ's sake! And we can do it perfectly without modern "pain relief" (I did with my 2nd child). We are most certainly not designed to be "weaker", we are just strong in other ways.
in competitions that are based on the more masculine physical attributes, the feminine does not equate to "weaker".
I guess I think we shouldn't compare them at all.
Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by amazed
Analyzing data from 2,404 individuals "California Verbal Learning Test " concluded that "When mediating variables were controlled, gender differences tended to disappear on tests for which there was a male advantage and to magnify on tests for which there was a female advantage."
Tell me... what are these mediating variables, and HOW are they controlled?
IF you cannot answer that, then you cannot base an argument for Intellectual equality on a test that is *ADMITTEDLY BIASED*
So, busy busy busy doing research...
-Edrick
Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by eMachine
I guess I think we shouldn't compare them at all.
You gain wisdom.
Men and women are not equal, because they are not the same.
The Term Unequal applies to men and women, but Superior and Inferior does not.
If you really want to look at this scientifically, then a single man or woman is not technically a life form, as the prerequisites for life is the ability to reproduce, and neither gender can do this alone.
A man and a woman are the 2 half's of a single species.
Thus, a human being is TECHNICALLY a man AND a woman combined.
-Edrick
[edit on 20-6-2009 by Edrick]
Differences in ages, health, rich, poor etc. If you are going to test low income women against middle income and above men, then yes, you will find a preponderance of higher IQ in the men. Just as if you were to test low income men against middle income and above women you will find the women have higher IQ's.
These variables will make a difference. It is proven, that if you are low income, and do not have access to good health care, and good education, healthy foods, along with parents who work with their children at home, IQ will be lower. Compared to families who have access to good health care, healthy foods, good education and parents that work with their children, IQ's will be higher.
That is a simple concept that does not take a very intelligent person to understand.
Being sexist, is a conditioned response of our environment. I just don't understand why people refuse to see that. I guess it "makes being sexist" ok in their minds if its not environmental. Because then they don't have any need to stop and think about their preconditioned responses.
Originally posted by eMachine
Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by eMachine
I guess I think we shouldn't compare them at all.
You gain wisdom.
Men and women are not equal, because they are not the same.
The Term Unequal applies to men and women, but Superior and Inferior does not.
If you really want to look at this scientifically, then a single man or woman is not technically a life form, as the prerequisites for life is the ability to reproduce, and neither gender can do this alone.
A man and a woman are the 2 half's of a single species.
Thus, a human being is TECHNICALLY a man AND a woman combined.
-Edrick
[edit on 20-6-2009 by Edrick]
Edrick, that's almost exactly what I've been trying to say. I'm sorry I don't always verbalize ideas properly. Masculine and feminine properties are both vitally, equally, necessary to everything. Both should be respected. Neither should be regarded as less important or useful.