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Is the government afraid to disclose?

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posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 10:40 PM
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Is it that our government is afraid to disclose the ET presence? I know a few people who think that the government is keeping the ET presence a secret for their own benefit, when in all reality (I think) it's the complete opposite. They are withholding this information because they know if they did disclose, they would lose their power.

Think about it. If tommorrow's headlines read: "We are not alone" or "ET's have been visiting us for decades" or whatever the case may be, the citizens of the US would know the government was not the most powerful organization on Earth anymore. It would be these ET's with their advanced technology.

I think that the government's lies are a power struggle. If they come out with the information, they will lose their power over us. So in my opinion, the government will never release all this information unless they couldn't avoid it.

So all you people who think the government is going to disclose the ET presence, don't get your hopes up too high, because I believe that the ET's will have to reveal themselves in order for us to get the information we so desperately want. Hopefully, this time is coming soon, very soon. At least I hope it is.

Just some food for thought.



Edited for typos.

[edit on 6/19/0909 by Mookie89]




posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 10:58 PM
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It's not up to the government to disclose anything. They don't have a say in it.

As if politicians can be trusted with sensitive knowledge!



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:01 PM
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Actually, I think it's not about power. One of the toughest moments for a parent is when you have to admit to your child that Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are all lies. If the government comes clean, it has to admit that it has been lying to us for decades.



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by tezzajw
It's not up to the government to disclose anything. They don't have a say in it.

As if politicians can be trusted with sensitive knowledge!


Then who does? The public? Obviously not, because the government would have disclosed many many years ago. And 95% of the politicians don't have a need-to-know basis about UFO/ET's. Only the high up politicians have this need-to-know basis, plus some regular civilian workers here and there.



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
Actually, I think it's not about power. One of the toughest moments for a parent is when you have to admit to your child that Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are all lies. If the government comes clean, it has to admit that it has been lying to us for decades.


I do not agree with this. If the government really cared about us, then they would have a universal healthcare system, and never would have staged 9/11. It's not like if they disclosed they would get in trouble by us. They don't give a damn about us, all they care about is money, and we'll keep giving it to them even after we know they've lied to us all these years, we really have no other choice.

[edit on 6/19/0909 by Mookie89]



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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If the government were to disclose this information, then they would be held accountable for that information. People are impatient and would demand answers that the government may not have.



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by Tartarspoon
If the government were to disclose this information, then they would be held accountable for that information. People are impatient and would demand answers that the government may not have.


If they say that there are ET's present in our atmosphere watching us, then what else could we ask for? That's mainly what people want to know, if there are ET's visiting and watching us.



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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I don't know, maybe something like
what are their intentions?
are they hostile?
are we safe?
how long have you known?
what are you going to do about it?
have they tried to communicate?
how do you know they won't hurt us?
how do you know they are just watching us?
why are they watching us?

That's just a few off the top of my head.


edited for typos

[edit on 19-6-2009 by Tartarspoon]



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by Tartarspoon
reply to post by Mookie89
 


I don't know, maybe something like
what are their intentions, are they hostile, are we safe, how long have you known, what are you going to do about it, have they tried to communicate, how do you know they won't hurt us, how do you know they are just watching us, why are they watching us?

That's just a few off the top of my head.


Good post. None of those questions popped into my head at the time.


But I still hold my belief that the government is afraid to disclose. Maybe it's a combination of the two.



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:31 PM
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I'm not sure where you got the impression that my post indicated that the government 'cares about us'. Instead what I was trying to say is that they do not want to admit that they have been lying and hiding the truth from us. Think that the demonstrations in Tehran are bad, they would pale in comparison!



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:42 PM
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Okay how about this, why does the gov need to disclose anything?

They are here and have already shown us that they are here. But we as stupid humans, want hard proof. It would be kind of like you trying to explain something to a bug.

Flame me or do whatever, but the only people holding us back from disclosure is us as the Human Race. If there is one race of Aliens then there are more than just us and them, and if one race can reach us then there is more then them that can reach us.

And quiet honestly I wouldn't want to meet any aliens that only associate themselves with the deepest darkest evils of the human race.

Also, they would probably have technology that is beyond human comprehension, so if we require "hard proof" of their presence what good is it for them to make contact with us when we couldn't possibly understand the math and physics of how they travel, and the technology they posses, because there isn't "hard proof" of how their technology works because it is beyond human comprehension.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, why would they want to meet such closed minded beings, what do we have to offer them for them to waste our time to teach us things.

Edit - grammar

[edit on 19-6-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:57 PM
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The government can not tell a lie.
So to say anything about ETs can not be done.

This is perfect so they are locked into silence.
Even if no ETs ever existed and the Tesla stuff is a scam.

Evidently the Tesla stuff is not a scam and the ET is.
Thus the government still holds all the cards and says nothing.
Keeping all the fancy science for the uber scientists.



posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:58 PM
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What the big problem is about disclosure is that once there is an official US Government stamp of approval, it has the potential to create real problems above and beyond the coverup issues. For example, how is Obama going to explain to his fellow Americans that on top of us not being alone in the universe, we also seem to have a problem with these aliens abducting some of our citizens from time to time? Can you even imagine what the MSM is going to do with that information? They would drag any and everybody who even halfway daydreamed about being abducted by aliens front and center into our living rooms, 24/7, for weeks on end. You´ll see clips from Fire in the Sky, Taken, Intruders, being replayed over and over. The implants, the light rays, the pseudo-rapes, the hybrids, the screams, it´ll all be there frightening everybody to death. Then comes the next massive problem for Obama; "What are you going to do about it!!?!?! We are not safe!". As you all know, the diplodinks can barely keep this country going as it is, and they have heaped close to $100 trillion in debt and obligations onto us already. But the pressure to act...to do something...will be crushing. And Obama can only turn to the military for answers. And the military will ramp up the military industrial complex into warp drive. Sure, some of the currently classified projects may make an unexpected declassification, but that won´t pacify the nation for long. The complex will be ramping up Star Wars for all it´s worth...and it´ll be beyond expensive.

So, if your Obama, and you had the choice to disclose or not, having to take all possible scenarios known into consideration, would you or not? I think he wouldn´t. He´d be too afraid because he knows the local, state, and national authorities are in no way prepared for trouble, nor can we afford a massive military ramp up.

If Obama goes against the grain and does the progressive thing (and he is a progressive kind of guy), it´ll still be fun to see Seth Shostak bashing his fists against his SETI tuner wondering why he´s still getting static.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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Good question, How I understand it is the government is a stage show and the real power and influence is behind the curtains. That is where all the preparation for the stage is set. These stage producers are not afraid of disclosure but are afraid of the schedule. They fully plan on disclosing it all. So much so that is has been prepared and scheduled for a very long time. To the point of insanity. There's obsessive-compulsive disorder and theres is 2012.
This minority of people care more about numbers and alignments than the lives of people. I would not have this opinion if the schedule was handled in the right way. Even if there had been no war or conflict, the schedule would have still been in place. Its the management that I have a problem with. Just plain Bad Management. So the TPTB are not afraid of disclosure but of the stingy smack they are going to get when mummy and daddy get home. They hold a grudge against our creators for having no chioce but to take away the technological advancements of our ancient past and caused fire and flood upon the earth for the safety and protection of the greater galactic community because of those who reacted violently. Which is more than likely that when the scheduled disclosure happens within these years leading up to 2012, a small minority of Aholes hope we freak out completely and destroy ourselves. Which IMHO is fairly unlikely since there are far more good people on the inside than there are bad, the good on the inside will take care of the bad. We won't have to do anything but put a smile on our dials when taking in all of the new knowledge we will all be recieving for the first time since predeluvian times.
This is most likely going to be a Gradual Indoctrination. It wont come out all at once. It will take a couple of years of a "frog in pot" style release of information for the purpose of mental conditioning of people unfamiliar to this reality so they don't boil over and start freaking out. For people like ourselves, it will be a Holiday. A load off all of our shoulders. We can get ready to finally relax and enjoy the transition. For others a maybe a bit of a rollercoaster ride, so I hope not too many of us will be ramming the "I told you so" line down their friends and families throats. Because the people who are skeptical are often the same who are fearful. So reassure these people rather than exagerate an already existing fear of the unknown.
-End of Rant-



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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It is my belief that at least one species of aliens visiting us are hostile and the gov't knows this. My research also leads me to believe we have developed over the years a somewhat rudimentary defense against them. In "The Day After Roswell" according to Lt. Colonel Philip Corso the gov't's aim was to make it too costly for the aliens to launch a large attack. I also believe the gov't has back engineered technology that could end our dependence on fossil fuels but the release of this technology must be carefully planned so as not to disrupt the worlds economy too drastically. Give it time. Disclosure is happening and perhaps the legalization of marajuana will precede the disclosure to help calm our nerves.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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I usually ignore these "disclosure" threads, but enough is enough.

First of all, do I believe that aliens exist, well I'm not sure, but I tend to think that it's pretty silly to believe out of all of the galaxies, planets and stars in the universe that we're the only intelligent beings that exist.

Now that being said, UFO's do they exist, yes of course they do. People see objects flying all the time that are not identified. Are they alien or from another world, I must say, probably not. I think 98% of them are man made either for a hoax attempt or secret government aircraft.

So this whole disclosure thing. Does our government or any government know of alien existence, I don't know. What would they gain by disclosing it to people?

I don't think we'll ever have disclosure by any government, period.

The only way disclosure will ever happen is when an alien craft enters our atmosphere, lands on earth and the alien being comes out and says hello or destroys us all.

Sorry folks, thats it. It's time to accept whats real.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 07:05 PM
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Come on dude, your mod. Behave more responsibly. If you usually ignore these threads, continue to co so. Not everyone is going to ask the pressing questions that you require. Enough will never be enough. This is a social networking site after all. Also for a mod you can't seem to able to put two and two together. Yes UFO's exist, No there will no disclosure? Seriously? Youv'e earned your position.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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If these aliens do exist why doesnt the government let them talk to our scientists about the universe so that way we dont keep wasting money on trying to get to the Moon, Mars etc and building telescopes to look out somewhere, where they already know what looks like. They could show us pictures, take us there or just enlighten us.

We probably waste a hell of alot of money on doing the above stuff and many other space projects, not to mention what other science projects they could help us out with.

Just my thoughts.

BTW i firmly believe there is other life out there in some form or another.



posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 10:40 PM
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What about this angle on the question of discloser. These "aliens" have been able to keep them self hidden all this time, why hide? Maybe the government does not have the final word on discloser but the "aliens" do. They tell our government "if you want our tech you will keep your mouth shut about us". Has anyone ever thought that the government is being blackmailed by the "aliens" to keep there mouth shut on the matter. I say we will not have discloser about UFO and aliens from the government. If and when any discloser is ever made they will make it them self. The aliens have the final word in saying what we know and do not know about them not our government.



posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 01:45 AM
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Why haven't the powers that be come out with it sooner? Why haven't et's come out sooner? It all ties in together. I believe this is all scheduled. Not by man but by them along time ago. TPTB are following this ancient schedule until its completion. They know that even if they didn't follow it, the ET's would be. I believe the ET's have no control over our handlings of the schedule's particulars or over world events on the earth. They cannot interfere on the earth without extreme reason. eg. self protection, protection from ourselves (the documented disarming of launched ground missiles in midflight etc) They can only wait and hope like do here. What we can be sure of Judging by both the frequency of ufo sightings and SERIOUS media SUPPORT is that disclosure is coming soon. The psychology of the false disclosure dates is easy to read.
I believe they want us all to be "over it" when they announce disclosure. If we are all morose and over it, we will be More excited and glad and relieved that it is all out there than Angry that its taken so long. It makes sense to me anyway.



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