Are the soldiers who protect America bad?, page 8

Originally posted by Eight
There is no logic, only hypocrisy.

Yes, God said "Thou shall not kill." But God violated his own commandment when he ordered the destruction of entire cities, just to allow the Jews to have a homeland in the Middle East. Also the with the Bible, I can confirm that this same God ordered the killing of thousands of people. Isn't this hypocrisy?

You should know that Christianity is the cause of more problems and wars than anything else and IMO the Bible is always a poor tool to use to justify one’s position, especially on the issue of killing.

Try reading 1 Samuel. God was the one who judged the people. The people of Israel wanted a king to judge them instead, and so they rejected god in favor of governments and kings. To which god replies - this is the manner in which you will be ruled, and it talks of the kings and such which basically take and take from the people.

Furthermore, the reason Jesus had to do what he did in the first place was due to the misunderstandings of the people on the laws. Thus, he fulfills them in order to bring proper understanding of things.

The reason it is said to be ok for god to do such a thing, but not for people is that god being "all knowing" would be the only one who could properly judge such a thing.

I am not a Christian, but I am a big fan of Jesus and do understand what he is saying and such. It doesn't even matter to me if he is real or not, either way he was right and spoke the truth. If not real, whoever wrote the story had the wisdom.

So explain the Salem Witch Hunts and the Crusades.

Matthew 7

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Iniquity means sin. What he is saying is look at their fruits to know if they are good or bad, not what they say. So, you would be looking at their actions.

Just because many people will do things in his name does not mean they are correct. And that is what he is saying. He says many will point out the wonderful things they have done in his name, but he will say he knows them not because the things they did were sins. Their actions were not good, and no amount of lip service changes that.

The start of that chapter starts out - judge not, yest you be judged. And that pretty much rules out your example as being a reflection of Jesus. He would tell those people - I know you not.

This is the first thing that comes to anyone’s mind when war is the issue. You mention war and visions of death, horror, destruction, pain and suffering is the only thing you see.And rightly so because these things are the reality of war.

The causes of war are as various as the causes of disputes between married couples, some of the causes for war are nationalism, imperialism, militarism and of course, lets not forget human nature. So in a way it is useless to hope that reasons for going to war, one day will be totally eliminated.

People do it out of ignorance. They believe themselves to be flesh, and so they do things which save the flesh. As they do not know the truth, they fear. And because of their fears, such as 9/11, they will support wars and the path of death and destruction in order to save that flesh. Get someone to fear for their life, make them think that is the end, and they will stop at almost nothing to save themselves.

John 3

6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Know thyself. If you think you are flesh, then you do not know yourself. You think of your posessions as being "you". your indicated possession. Your body? Your flesh? Such is not you.

Don't have to be a Christian to know and understand such things, just need to seek.