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Originally posted by mf_luder
You are all cowards. All of you.
Originally posted by Tour18
“Before you lose your civility”? I’m shaking in my shoes. My fingers are trembling such that it’s difficult to type. You have my undivided attention.
Your avatar fully explains the sensibilities you feel for the reputation afforded the professional soldier. I’m moved.
Your avatar truly does answer many unasked questions for me. It might not be so clear to someone who is not a Veteran.
Why don't you explain your avatar to the ATS members not so fortunate as to have worn an American uniform. You made it large enough to be unmistakable. You obviously have sufficient digital image editing skills to steal a copyrighted image, alter it and inject it here at ATS as your avatar. It is a deliberate selection on your part. Having put that much effort into its creation, I'm sure you would be eager to share your patriotism through your chosen symbology.
Through the Hollywood character portrayed and chosen for your avatar, you might explain the compassion you feel for the parents of our soldiers who have been murdered and raped by their fellow soldiers in Iraq and right here in the homeland since 911...
Again, referencing the chosen symbology of your ATS avatar... You injected these topics into this discussion. You accused me of spitting in face of others…
Please regale us. I’m calling you out.
Originally posted by Exuberant1
Our military men and women took an oath to the Constitution. Many Constitutional rights have been nullified in the past decade.
Our men and women in uniform stood by and did nothing while those rights and freedoms which they swore to uphold and defend were systematically removed.
Let us look at their failures - let us see which freedoms our Military did not protect and which we no longer have:
**Feel free to add to this list any other rights and freedoms that our military has failed to protect and preserve.
1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF SPEECH
• The Patriot Act 1 & 2 broadly expands the official definition of
terrorism, so that many domestic groups that engage in
nonviolent civil disobedience could very well find themselves
labeled as terrorists.
• The Government may now prosecute librarians or keepers
of any other records if they reveal that the government
requested information on their clients or members in the
course of an investigation. It has become a crime for these
individuals to try to safeguard your privacy or to tell you
that you are under investigation
1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION
• Government agents may now monitor the First Amendment-protected activities of religious and political institutions, and then infiltrate these groups with no suspicion of criminal activity. This is a return to domestic spying on law-abiding religious and political groups.
• You may now be the subject of a government investigation simply because of the political, activist, or advocacy groups you are involved in, or the statements you make within these groups.
1st AMENDMENT RIGHT TO ACCESS
• A U.S. Department of Justice directive actively encourages
federal, state, and local officials to resist and/or limit access
to government records through Freedom of Information Act
• The Government has conducted immigration hearings in
secret behind closed doors. Such proceedings were once
open to the public. Hundreds, if not thousands, of immigrants
have already been deported in secret.
4th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE
• Law Enforcement authorities may now conduct secret searches and wiretaps in your home or office without showing “probable cause.” They need only to claim that intelligence gathering is “a significant purpose” of their intrusion, even when the primary goal is ordinary law enforcement. They may also monitor where and to whom you send and receive e-mail, or where you go on the Internet, recording every e-mail address and website you have been in contact with.
• Law Enforcement may now demand any personal records held by any source including your doctor,employer, accountant, or library. All they have to do is claim that it is related to an investigation into “terrorism.” The record keepers may not reveal that your records were provided to the government.
• Judicial oversight of secret searches has been effectively minimized. The Patriot Act directs judges to consent to secret searches based only on the Government’s assertion that a “significant” purpose of an investigation is gathering information related to “terrorism,” as the government defines it.
5th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS & FREEDOM FROM BEING
HELD WITHOUT CHARGE
• Americans can now be jailed without a formal charge & without the right to confront the witnesses or evidence against them. American citizens are now being held in military jails without charge and with-out a clear path of appeal for their indefinite confinement.
• Hundreds of Arab, Muslim and South Asian men were rounded up in the Ashcroft raids following September 11, and held for weeks without charges until all were cleared of terrorism charges
6th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION
• Hundreds of U.S. residents have been detained for months at a time, and denied access to the advice and advocacy of an attorney. The Government may now monitor conversations between attorneys & clients in federal jails.
• The Bush Administration filed papers in court that arguing that an American citizen held in a military jail without charge should be denied access to legal counsel because such access would interfere with the process of his interrogation.
6th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL
• The U.S. Government may now jail its residents and citizens indefinitely without charge & without a public trial.
8th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS
• The U.S. Government has taken into custody individuals they identify as “material witnesses,” trans-ported them across the country, and held them for months in solitary confinement without charge or contact with their family.
• According to the Justice Department’s own Inspector General, immigrant men rounded up in the Ashcroft raids following September 11 and held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, NY were subjected to a pattern of “physical and verbal abuse.”
(List courtesy of the NYCLU and it is a few years old)
*Oh yeah, for those of you who think our massive military is needed to prevent invasion - you are forgetting our nuclear arsenal....
[edit on 20-6-2009 by Exuberant1]
Originally posted by mf_luder
First, let me start by saying that I have you a star on your initial post simply because I wanted it to have more recognition than that crap the second post contained about conquistadors and the like.
This is America today.
Lazy. Fat. Apathetic. Ignorant. Spoiled. and did I say "lazy"?
I've been in the US Army for 7 years and some change. Sometimes I love my job. Sometimes I hate it. But that's everybody isn't it? The one thing that holds true through that time is the fact that I have met some of the smartest people in the world and some of the stupidest people in the world in that 7 years. But they all have the same thing in common.
For anyone who would sit at their computer desk in Anytown America, make up a false screen name, sign on to this site, and insult an American soldier.... I laugh at you and your "manhood, family, upbringing, children, job.... insert whatever else makes you a person..." None of you can give a straight answer to OP's question because it holds true.
You are all cowards. All of you.
You wouldn't fight to defend your family if we weren't here. You'd let the (chinese, russian, Iraqi, Iranian, etc, etc, etc.....) militaries come in and take. You don't have the intelligence or the initiative to actually go out and learn about us as people and what the military really stands for.
You watch your sad little bites of filth from your news outlets - CNN, FOX, MSNBC and you have the wherewithal - LOL - to call yourselves "informed." I laugh at your intellect as well.
None of you have been over there. None of you.
"Oh, America shouldn't have invaded Iraq - oh the poor little Iraqis... boo hoo hoo ho ho ho ho hooooo o......."
You weren't there when we passed throughout all the towns on the way to Baghdad with their entire populations emptied out cheering us on w/ signs and tears of joy and people giving us food and drink - you weren't there when thousands of those same people cheered the fall of Sadaam or their first vote - or the opening of schools and other government institutions that never existed before the war.... were you?
You were at home, busy complaining because some of us (less than 1% of the population) decided we were tired of getting fat and stupid.
I get my masters degree just like you - but for free now. Awwww, but that's because I'm a killer, right?! Ha. Nope. That's because I had the courage to do something besides sit around on my lazy fat ass and complain about stuff I didn't understand.
To answer OP's question.
I would take a sword and shove it down the throat of anyone who thought it wise to threaten my family or way of life, because I am an American Soldier.
Originally posted by ofhumandescent
If you are a Christian one of the commandments said, "thou shalt not kill".