Ah, yes, the military sure saved America from 9/11 eh ?

Where were all the fighter jets ?

Oh , they were all stood down. Funny eh ?

Sounds like your glorious brave military were part of the problem.

I believe most who enrolled in the military didn't really know the truth at the time, but there is an awakening going on around the world. I believe our troops are still willing to go out and kill "the enemy", but when it comes to coming home and attacking us and taking away our guns, they aren't going to do this. I think since it was part of "the plan' to make America look like bullies or the jerks of the world and such, foreign troops are going to be more willing to come over here and do the "dirty deeds".

But it says in the FEMA guide lines on who gets to go to Camp FEMA, that the troops can make their own decisions on who to hall in. So if you're faced with this situation, be wise and it can save your life. Talk human to human, not enemy to enemy or in any other manner. The troops will have the decision weather to hall you to camp fema or not, plus I'm sure they'll be willing to take pay-offs in money or goods. But at the end of the say, we're all humans, well most at least, and most want to make a living and live in peace. Never forget that fact and use it to your advantage if possible.

You know, I joined this site months ago because I, like most people here, think there are a lot of things going on that are "wrong". Seems like things don't make sense much of the time anymore... maybe, there actually is some global conspiracy or group of conspiracies. However, the longer I'm on here the more sickened I get. Now, I don't believe all soldiers are heroes or even wonderful human beings. But, I know what they all are... people. Just like the op said, they're mostly normal people from all walks of life. Those of you who say that they should know better should remember most of them join when they're just kids. If our government sends them to some hellhole to risk their lives for a cause which seems unjust, how is that their fault? I hate the fact that politicians have used the military as a shield of sorts when people complain about our government's foreign policy but, again, that is not the soldier's fault.
Either way, I am glad we have a strong military. I don't think we should be policing the world with them but, I am happy they are there to protect us. There are still wolves out there we need protection from. Not everything is a conspiracy. If you can't respect our soldiers you should at least have compassion for them if you feel they are being misused by the powers that be.
Just my two cents.

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Are soldiers who protect America bad?
No, definitely not !!!

Are soldiers that bomb invade, torture foreigners that are not, and never have been the slightest threat to America, are just DUMB VICTIMS.

Since when was Iraq a threat to the American homeland?
What is this threat exactly ?

What is the purpose of the illegal invasion of Iraq ?
What is the objective ?
Where is the moral right for this ?

Sorry guys, but America will go down in history with Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany as war criminals and losers.

America has committed crimes against international law, against common justice, and against God's laws.

That has nothing at all to do with PROTECTING AMERICA.

With respect to your post, you my friend do not listen to a majority of these United States.

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
Ah, yes, the military sure saved America from 9/11 eh ?

Where were all the fighter jets ?

Oh , they were all stood down. Funny eh ?

Sounds like your glorious brave military were part of the problem.

If you are referring to me, you're wrong. Blame the the people in charge and not the soldiers

to those that think the military has done nothing to protect you since Pearl Harbor, I will tell you that every day you live in the USA without a foreign force invading your homeland, it's because of the military. It's because they feel deep down in their souls that they are protecting you. They believe that if they do their job well, then you will get to go on with your life as if nothing happened. And they don't care that you hate them.

Make no mistake. There are superheroes in this world. And they are here to protect you

I must post my opinion on this subject and it does reflect previous thoughts from other ATS members.

The soldiers we see today fighting wars some of us don't agree with are the same men and women who, if the USA was ever invaded, would stand shoulder to shoulder at our shores and die to protect the people who hate them, the softened people of the United States. They would have an enemy at their faces...the invading force from another country. They would have enemies at their backs asking why we dont just roll over and let the enemy land.

It reminds me of the general outcry against cops. When ever a video surfaces of a cop beating someone, justified or not, the softened ones cry out "Cops are evil, cops have power issues"

The next day, as that same person is pinned beneath a burning car within seconds of exploding, who will be there risking their lives to save them?

Reverand Al? Alex Jones? Your buddy who thinks cops can kiss his arse?
No, the police will be there. The same cop who maybe last week maced a drug dealing monkey who resisted arrest and was caught on video and persecuted...that same cop will die trying to save a citizen.

Lastly...evil. Oh yes, I believe in evil. I believe the rulers of this earth, the people who use our soldiers and police for their alterior motives. They are the evil. Should we have raped a country looking for WMDs? Maybe not. Should the US Military be constantly poking their nose everywhere? I don't think so.

Are the brave men and women who offer to give their lives for freedom the spawn of Satan? Well, if they are, I'll raise a glass with them when I meet them in Hell

I want to expand on what I just wrote somewhat.

If you will look back in history you will find that we have not always been the dominant world force. For 140 years we were just an average country. No-body invaded us although their were two mega powers at the time (France and England). The reason: we minded our own business and was not a threat to anyone.

Somewhere along the way, someone or some people decided that we needed to become an empire. Just being independent and free was not enough, we had to impose our beliefs on others. If we also look back through history we will find that there has been a few other empires: France, England, Greece, Persian, Roman...etc. They all had one thing in common; a violent end to their empire. But somehow, we are going to be different, we are going to be the empire that survives forever....lol just how stupid are we?

Once we got away from our principles and decided to be a "world player" we initiated a chain of events that will only culminate in one possible scenario: destruction.

It has gotten to the point that the citizens have no value to the country other than how much revenue they can provide to the global behemoth. So now we have progressed from being a content independent entity of self governance, to a global superpower whom imposes their will on every continent on the planet, to a total disregard for its citizenry. Look folks, we are making enemies everywhere, not just overseas, but right here at home as well.

This can only end in one of two ways.

First, the leadership realizes the mistakes they have made and rights the ship, I estimate less than a .001% chance of this happening.

Second, the fall of yet another great empire.

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There are five fundamental driving impulses. Lust, anger, greed, attachment, envy. If karma of anger is strong at any given time then that person will find something to express it upon. If they have strong karma on one or more of the other primary impulses they will tend to vent along those lines. People feeling inadequate want to move into a position of authority where they have greater feeling to express their inclinations. Add the economic incentives and you have a strong attraction for these people. That does not mean to stereotype a person who joins the military. Many are very fine well intending individuals. But others aren't. Combine that with a hierarchy that may have a malevolent intent and boom. Combine that further with weak mindedness, cowardice, etc. and you've got a fuel for potential disasters.

We know there is well over half a century of infiltration into the military by the Illuminati. For example it's clear the "pop music" scene was instigated by the Illuminati via their children some of whom where altered for the purpose. We know that under the guise of communism a general invasion into the military took place in the 40s and 50s just as it did in Hollywood and elsewhere.

We know the "Military / Industrial Complex" is really just a code word for Illuminati / NWO.

So we know the Military as a great place for Devil worshipers to hang out. But we also know they are never the majority of the people but often their leaders.

Blaming individual soldiers is not a good thing, of course. But being cautions about the Military and military personnel is.

As a veteran, I have a biased view, obviously. I don't think there has ever been a civilization that had no military and survived. Even religions have their own "military" IE; vatican has the swiss gaurd, islam uses jihad, and the mormons had their own vengeance riders. No matter how you look at it, militaries are a neccesary evil. History is full of wars, and even the religions all have wars in their past (the old testement is full of battles and wars fought in the name of God). And remember, mankind is fallible, which means everything we create is also fallible, including our gov't and military. So, call me what you like, soldier, vet, mercenary, killer, whatever...I joined and fought for the country I live in and want to see prosper.

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Well I'll try my best to address how I'm interpreting this.

First of all I was in the military and they chose my job for me based on scores, psych evals etc.

Now that being said they must have known more about me than I did because I would have never picked the job they gave me and it turned out to be a very lucrative job not by the money received but by the experience I have under my belt.

Now I have friends that are still in the military. The part that sucks about being in is the public only hears of mishaps never of the successful operations because they are all classified. However if something goes wrong the whole world usually see's it such as a plane crashing, a solider going off the deep end and going on a murderous rampage etc.

What the public doesn't hear about are individuals who have been rescued from hostage type situations, the procurement of weapons intended for use against other countries, checks and balances the military uses against possible threats to even the playing field and keep an area secure, spies that relay plots and planned security breaches of key targets around the world not just in the US. You get the idea or at least I hope you do. I've had friends ask me certain things that I just had to plain tell them I couldn't talk about it, I was never a big shot and what I know might be considered trivial at best when it comes to national security but I'm not about to take the chance.

I see a lot of people saying the military will do this or that when talking about the NWO. Sorry but it won't happen not by our current military. The friends I have that are still in would never follow the order and chances are the commander would never give the order in the first place. Why you might ask?

Because if there was an order of that type given the majority of commanders would go straight to the news media in a political move to move up the chain of command. Imagine what they would do to an officer if he proved there were illegal orders given to him to give to his troops. By exposing this he would be guaranteed a higher political spot than he could have ever dreamed of. In fact I would put money down that commanders everywhere would be fighting over who got to the news media first.

You say they would be killed if they did this? Only disagree, if they made it on the news during prime time that person being a target would no longer be, if ever having been, considered a target because the death of that person would cause an uproar of both the citizens and the military themselves, effectively alienating the military from the govt.

All of that being said if there was a threat on US soil no matter whom I would have no problem picking up my gun and taking care of that threat.

Quite honestly I'm way more worried about the politicians in govt. to include the federal reserves reach than I will ever be about the military.

And if someone's really that worried, then join up and see for yourself. You have no idea how many people in the military have amazing careers and accomplished feats that the present day public will never know of.

Originally posted by Lichter daraus
Great post,and i agree. My grandpa who recently passed away was in vietnam. i respect him and what he did for this country. i have good friend in Iraq right now and i respect him for what he is doing though i do not agree with the war at all. Thank you to all the men and women who put there life on the line for our freedom. It just makes me sick how some people treat our soldiers...





PEACE!!!

You don't agree with the war but you respect your friend that goes to that war to kill inoncent people for a lie your governement made?

this you gota explain dude. I respect no one that goes to war because in the case of America it's not for your freedom! thats just a one-liner to talk everything good. "We have people in other country's killing for no reason, but hell i respect them because they give us freedom"? how the f*ck? I really don't understand the American psychology.

you guys go on a imperialist killingspree and its for your freedom?

Our military men and women took an oath to the Constitution. Many Constitutional rights have been nullified in the past decade.

Our men and women in uniform stood by and did nothing while those rights and freedoms which they swore to uphold and defend were systematically removed.

Let us look at their failures - let us see which freedoms our Military did not protect and which we no longer have:

**Feel free to add to this list any other rights and freedoms that our military has failed to protect and preserve.

1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF SPEECH
• The Patriot Act 1 & 2 broadly expands the official definition of
terrorism, so that many domestic groups that engage in
nonviolent civil disobedience could very well find themselves
labeled as terrorists.
• The Government may now prosecute librarians or keepers
of any other records if they reveal that the government
requested information on their clients or members in the
course of an investigation. It has become a crime for these
individuals to try to safeguard your privacy or to tell you
that you are under investigation


1st AMENDMENT FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION
• Government agents may now monitor the First Amendment-protected activities of religious and political institutions, and then infiltrate these groups with no suspicion of criminal activity. This is a return to domestic spying on law-abiding religious and political groups.
• You may now be the subject of a government investigation simply because of the political, activist, or advocacy groups you are involved in, or the statements you make within these groups.


1st AMENDMENT RIGHT TO ACCESS
GOVERNMENT INFORMATION
• A U.S. Department of Justice directive actively encourages
federal, state, and local officials to resist and/or limit access
to government records through Freedom of Information Act
(FOIA) requests.
• The Government has conducted immigration hearings in
secret behind closed doors. Such proceedings were once
open to the public. Hundreds, if not thousands, of immigrants
have already been deported in secret.

4th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE
SEARCHES &SEIZURES
• Law Enforcement authorities may now conduct secret searches and wiretaps in your home or office without showing “probable cause.” They need only to claim that intelligence gathering is “a significant purpose” of their intrusion, even when the primary goal is ordinary law enforcement. They may also monitor where and to whom you send and receive e-mail, or where you go on the Internet, recording every e-mail address and website you have been in contact with.
• Law Enforcement may now demand any personal records held by any source including your doctor,employer, accountant, or library. All they have to do is claim that it is related to an investigation into “terrorism.” The record keepers may not reveal that your records were provided to the government.
• Judicial oversight of secret searches has been effectively minimized. The Patriot Act directs judges to consent to secret searches based only on the Government’s assertion that a “significant” purpose of an investigation is gathering information related to “terrorism,” as the government defines it.

5th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS & FREEDOM FROM BEING
HELD WITHOUT CHARGE
• Americans can now be jailed without a formal charge & without the right to confront the witnesses or evidence against them. American citizens are now being held in military jails without charge and with-out a clear path of appeal for their indefinite confinement.
• Hundreds of Arab, Muslim and South Asian men were rounded up in the Ashcroft raids following September 11, and held for weeks without charges until all were cleared of terrorism charges

6th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION
• Hundreds of U.S. residents have been detained for months at a time, and denied access to the advice and advocacy of an attorney. The Government may now monitor conversations between attorneys & clients in federal jails.
• The Bush Administration filed papers in court that arguing that an American citizen held in a military jail without charge should be denied access to legal counsel because such access would interfere with the process of his interrogation.

6th AMENDMENT RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL
• The U.S. Government may now jail its residents and citizens indefinitely without charge & without a public trial.

8th AMENDMENT FREEDOM FROM CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS
• The U.S. Government has taken into custody individuals they identify as “material witnesses,” trans-ported them across the country, and held them for months in solitary confinement without charge or contact with their family.
• According to the Justice Department’s own Inspector General, immigrant men rounded up in the Ashcroft raids following September 11 and held in the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, NY were subjected to a pattern of “physical and verbal abuse.”

(List courtesy of the NYCLU and it is a few years old)


*Oh yeah, for those of you who think our massive military is needed to prevent invasion - you are forgetting our nuclear arsenal....

[edit on 20-6-2009 by Exuberant1]