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Are the soldiers who protect America bad?

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posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by network dude
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so Russia is a perfect model government and society? care to explain that?


definitely not , but in terms of economic rights , Russia is much better than USA . Russia has flat-tax of 13 -15 % . USA has a tax of 40% .

this is socialism , how do you expect me to support this grand trotskyite evil

secondly, you have a corporate media propaganda press , that tows the govt line (remember pravda and iznvestia in USSR)

thirdly , your nation has the world's most aggressive military (reminds me of nazi germany and trotskyite USSR)
KARL MARX HIMSELF SAID ' THE GREATER THE TAX, THE MORE SOCIALIST A NATION IS'


on russian flat tax :

www.voxeu.org.../941
go figure


on USA , the new fourth Reich of evil:
www.rense.com...
www.angelfire.com...
USA is the new USSR ,
www.exilemm.com...




posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 08:51 AM
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First, don't put words in my mouth.

Second: What I propose is this. You realise what the problem is, what ponerology is as a study. You realise the social dynamic of psychopathocracy, how it is stable, how leaders will corrupt society in the vast majority of cases because the male dominance selection bias (which also selects for a few dominant females, but mostly males) will get tyranical, selfish and unempathetic people in power. Not just in the US of course, there is something to be said about national defense as other countries have psychos too, but do realise that at the top the psychopath network is global and plays good people against each other in the interest of the evil. Evil here is the pathological minority that cannot make long term emotional bonds to other humans. That do not feel either empathy or love.
Once you study this and realise it is true then you talk about it. You don't shut up about it, you don't get intimidated, you don't fear for the consequences. You help get the awareness of the problem up into the group mind.
Once the awareness of the problem is in the group mind, and it's close, very close, then society itself will snap out of the problem, as group awareness to psychopathic behaviour will filter it out, over time, from our institutions.

Further down the line we may be in a position where we can get rid of organised military. But to do that now would be to build a house from the roof down. First we get aware, then we go on the long process of social healing which getting rid of psychopathocracy would be.

What you should do, if you agree with me about the root cause of social problems, of which the military also shares, then the best you can do is fight the influence in your own personal life, with intelligence and compassion. This might mean saying no. This might mean losing jobs. But over time, once critical mass hits, society will change and we will all benefit.

Otherwise the psychos will drag us down into WWIII, I garantee it.

At the very end the realization is simple. The only thing that will make things better is love. Love of yourself. Love of your family. Love of your friends and countrymen. Love of foreigners and strangers. Love of life itself. Unconditional love. It's a tall order in these dark times but the real war is within yourself, it is fighting the evil away from your own heart of hearts, from that energy nexus in your chest where your body interfaces with reality itself, with the mind of god. And this is a personal process. I don't want your money and I don't want you to go to any church. I want you, and others like you to look within yourselves.

This is what I propose. You're free to do whatever you want.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:10 AM
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For what its worth, I agree with your post but you are up against impossible odds for changing minds. For many in the Military, the belief that they are a force for good is imperative. They have far to much to lose by allowing the truth to enter their awareness.

To allow the truth to enter would mean giving up everything they believed in and starting over in a society that is currently collapsing. Talk about scary! Imagine having a wife and two kids dependant on you, a monthly paycheck, healthcare, 30 days payed vacation and retirement with twenty years service. Now imagine having to give that up and find work in our society with only your military training and experience! Where do you go, Walmart? And don't forget all the positive media attention, or better described as Propaganda. Again, this world is of, for and by the EGO. It follows its own script and is very good at keeping the truth hidden.

The best any of us can do is forgive each other for our ignorance and try to be a force for good. Psychopaths do indeed exist, but I believe the evidence when fully examined will show them to be nothing more than full on Human Ego's and not unredeemable monsters. No one is unredeemable and no human is capable of judging another. To believe you are, is to allow your own Ego to contribute to the collective mess. Cling to your higher Consciousness and never forget but by the grace of God you could be where your brother is.

If you want a more compassionate world, be compassionate. A peaceful world, be peaceful. ect... None of us can do everything, but all of us can do something. Be sure that something is positive!

Peace.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by Majestic23
What are they protecting anyone from? Can anyone answer that question?


From the bad man. He is out there. He would love to kill you because you have things he cannot have. He is jealous, evil, sneaky, and a killer. You don't know who he is and you probably never will. So for now, all you need to know is that. If you ever want to know what he looks like, join the military.
Become a Marine and go see him. They will take you to his front door. Until then, be glad the bad man is still at his house and not yours.


But if you go and see the badman and kill the bad man (that hasnt actually been the aggressor) but you also kill around 500,000 innocent people then in in fact YOU who is the badman.

In court, if someone say threatened to kill you, but didnt actually come anywhere near you, and you hunt them down and kill them. You would be going to prison. You cant claim self defence in someone isnt actually attacking you.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by Mindmelding

You guys are cannon fodder. I keep trying to make you realise this. Contrary to the loaded title of this thread, which clearly shows bias, the american military, when overseas, does not protect america. What it does is play in the british "great game" of world dominance. What it does is permit elitists to enforce political leverage with physical violence.

Want to protect america? Stop being so gullible. Most of you are good people, so stop living in denial of what's happening and then do what you know in your heart to be right. I wont even pretend to know what that is, but I'm just here showing what the problem is.



Without putting words into your mouth, this is what I was referring to. We are cannon fodder. We are gullible. we are living in denial. You offered no suggestion to fix this terrible problem other than to love everyone and everything. While that is quite a noble crusade, here on the planet earth, you and two others share that thought. (probably more, but you get the point) While that is still 'the bad man" out there, there has to be someone to look for him and stop him before he hurts you. You are completely incapable of doing that on your own. As am I. I know the people in charge have no idea how to solve a problem without killing people. I have no control over them. The whole point of this thread is that the soldiers, the airman, the marines, the navy are people who are doing a job. they are doing it because they feel they are protecting the people of the United States. And sometimes other countries. They are not killers who can't wait for a fresh baby to slaughter. they are people, just like you, just like me. They deserve our respect because they are willing to die for the idea of America. They don't deserve the bullsh!t that is being said about them by cowards who would not take a slap in the face to protect their own mothers. I was disgusted by what I was reading. people from the United States, being ungrateful and blaming the military soldiers for things they had no control over. Like has been said, blame the people in charge not the soldiers. And without them doing what they do, this would not be a free country. I was and am willing to stake my life on that claim. I will remember the oath I took until I die and I will uphold my end of the deal. I haven't been an airman in 14 years, but I will support and defend the constitution of the United States of America from all enemys, foreign and domestic, with my life if necessary, Forever. All because I love freedom and the American way. I am no hero by a long shot. Just some guy. But there are a bunch of people who are heros. And they are on point now. Protecting you weather you think so or not.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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American soldiers are not bad. There are many who are trying to do what they think is right. Unfortunatly the American soldier is drawn from the worst of us. Many are criminals and very ignorant. Many lack the ability to know right from wrong. Many are brainwashed and lack experience in life. I feel sorry for the rightious ones who are surrounded by idiots, trying to do the job they were given.
We used to make fun of Soviet soldiers who would not do anything unless ordered to do so. It seemed they had no mind of thier own and could not do anything without permission. Now we are that way.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by earthman4
...Unfortunatly the American soldier is drawn from the worst of us. Many are criminals and very ignorant. Many lack the ability to know right from wrong. Many are brainwashed and lack experience in life. I


Wow bro, generalize much? Please tell me how you have come to this conclusion.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Yep, it's just me, Jesus and Ghandi. And Budha. And a few million others.

Love is not really a lofty goal or even unobtainable. It's an energy ressonance. Once you live by it the universe gives you love back. A lot more people than you realise live this. But they are always low key because they are not ego motivated. As a previous posted noted, yes, this world is run by the ego, and the ego is a creature motivated mostly by survival instincts, by the reptilian brain. For love we have to go deeper. Literally to the heart, as love is a creational energy, it's basically ressonance with the universe itself. As I said in another thread, the universe is alive, you have to respect it.

So in reality I'm talking about physics here. Not your dry newtonian physics, the real stuff, the physics of life, the universe and everything.

I'm not anti military, you're just people. I don't want soldiers to just abandon their post, I don't want tanks abandoned on the street, raptors rusting at airports or nukes leaking in their launch bays. I just want you guys to think more about what you're really doing and how you fit into a bigger picture. Then stuff will change for the better, naturally, over time, guided by higher moral values.

Those of you lost in scientific materialism and the ethic void of pragmatical thinking will naturally have all of the above whoosh above you're head. To those I just ask, give it a second look, think and feel about what is being said here.

And sorry, but once you commit your lives to violence unaware of the ramifications of that choice, which cuts you off from the very life energy of the universe, then sorry, but you have indeed been gullible. Psychopaths can't feel this, to them it's not real. And they suck you into their world. This is why you acquire psychopathic behaviour patterns in the military, why you become agressive, scared. There are so many syndromes in war veterans, because you have literally been taken to hell, disconnected from love, love the energy.

I mean, c'mon. The US military is now in a phase of preemptive war, and has been for some years. This is not defense. This is pandering to lower emotions, like the bloodlust fueled by revenge, which was what the 911 WRC sacrifice ritual was all about. It was a spell, done by psychopaths, brainwashing a people into a warmongering mentality. It's the sort of thing done by psychopathic leaders for centuries. Just another pearl harbour... Wake up. Get out of your reptilian brains, get further up from from the brainstem in thought, and further down into your hearts in emotion.

All in the modern political world is a denial of love, of basic human and humaine behaviour patterns, energy. If you look at the world with these eyes it's obvious.

If you have to go into a corner and cry your eyes out when you realise the depth of the deception and how much you have been emotionally mutilated by TPTB, do so. Anything is better than keeping up this facade that the status quo is how it should be. I think almost everyone has a feeling something is desperately wrong.

And a few of us know what it is. And now, should you chose to see it, so do you.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Mourninwoody
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The best any of us can do is forgive each other for our ignorance and try to be a force for good. Psychopaths do indeed exist, but I believe the evidence when fully examined will show them to be nothing more than full on Human Ego's and not unredeemable monsters. No one is unredeemable and no human is capable of judging another. To believe you are, is to allow your own Ego to contribute to the collective mess. Cling to your higher Consciousness and never forget but by the grace of God you could be where your brother is.

If you want a more compassionate world, be compassionate. A peaceful world, be peaceful. ect... None of us can do everything, but all of us can do something. Be sure that something is positive!

Peace.




I think that when fully examined we will see that there is genetic inheritance patterns in many psychopathic cases, especially the ponerologically relevant ones of the elite powerbrokers. They are in well known family bloodlines.

However I agree that there is probably some way to cure it. Genetic codes are a higher expression of energy ressonance. So I guess there are probably people out there that could open up the hearts of these people and change their genetic profile and remove the emotional blockage, getting them out of reptilian behaviour patterns.

I don't want to fight them, to kill them, to exterminate them. I agree with you, to go after them would be to become then. This is why armed revolution will solve nothing, it will only change the guard on the psycho watch.

I also agree with you that we should be the change we want to see. This has personally been my hardest struggle. Just because I have come to realise that Love is an energy and that there is indeed a righteous moral path which leads to spirtual enlightenment, this dosen't mean I've walked it all yet.

But regardless, we need to realise that bad men are out there and we need to realise their intentions. At the very least so that we can avoid empowering them by our complacent obedience to their memes, to their thought viruses, which disconnect us from deeper emotion, from higher conscious awareness of the living universe.

Be peacefull, but don't be compliant when you have to be free.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Juston

Originally posted by earthman4
...Unfortunatly the American soldier is drawn from the worst of us. Many are criminals and very ignorant. Many lack the ability to know right from wrong. Many are brainwashed and lack experience in life. I


Wow bro, generalize much? Please tell me how you have come to this conclusion.

The guys I know who signed up are not too bright. With 40,000 new troops in my town and their families our crime rate has gone throught the roof. They are like most 18 year olds, like I was, ready to fight for whatever, without question. I thank them for trying to defend my country but I realize they are just making things worse at times. They behave badly and being in the military does not make them change to perfect beings. I could be more specific but these war stories would just be condemed as lies.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Mindmelding
I mean, c'mon. The US military is now in a phase of preemptive war, and has been for some years. This is not defense. This is pandering to lower emotions, like the bloodlust fueled by revenge, which was what the 911 WRC sacrifice ritual was all about. It was a spell, done by psychopaths, brainwashing a people into a warmongering mentality. It's the sort of thing done by psychopathic leaders for centuries. Just another pearl harbour... Wake up. Get out of your reptilian brains, get further up from from the brainstem in thought, and further down into your hearts in emotion.



This is where we have some sort of communication breakdown. You agree that the soldiers are just people, but then you blame them for wanting to start a war? It ain't the soldiers, it's thePsycopathic leaders. As an airman, my job was to fix the radios and radar on C-130s. I never had to kill anyone. it wasn't in my job description. I would say that better then 60% of the military is that way. The rest, well it's their job. But they would much rather train, and thank the Good Lord that they didn't have to go kill anyone. They don't have that luxury right now. But maybe in your utopia they might. I hope it happens. But until then, try to wake up the leaders, the solders are already awake.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:34 AM
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Believe me.

I'm close to finishing a bachelor's degree and will be pursuing a master's in criminal justice and forensics. I don't exactly consider myself to be "dumb." Plus - Aside from driving a bit faster than I should here and there, I don't break the law, either.

I have a family to provide for.

So who exactly in the hell were you referring to when you said we were drawn from criminals and other low-lifes?

Every organization made of humans has its bad apples here and there. You don't have the right to call the entire US Military by one specific label because of a few people here and there that made your experience less than desirable.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:35 AM
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It's empowerment. The soldiers are not awake unless they act on their awareness. Or don't act, depending on what the situation is. As for awakening the leaders, who I think for the most part are pathologically insane, how would I do that? How would I reach out to the higher emotions of a person who has none? Maybe at a much lower level it's possible to unblock their emotions. I even believe that it probably is. Sadly I'm not enlightened enough to be able to do so. Words won't cut it imho and I would not even waste my time talking to them. Ever since I accepted the premisse of ponerology as a probable explanation to many of our problems I have got into the habit of shunning leadership. I interact with leadership as minimally as possible and will only talk to them on a personal basis, if I can avoid it never in an oficial capacity. Perhaps this is part of the big solution, I don't know, but the idea of disempowering without fighting is appealing to me.

None of this is about utopia, understood as a social paradise that transcends us, it's about inner peace and righteousness. If enough people are in the right emotional place I do think that what we generally call utopia would simply manifest itself naturally. I don't believe any political movement will create utopia, I think that enough people in the right frame of mind, in the right spirit, would generate it.

All I'm saying is that if you agree with my basic premisse about people being positive but the social dynamics are negative, then talk about it. Uplift awareness. The rest I think will sort itself out naturally. Our society is a distributed computing network, we don't, as individuals, have to do everything ourselves. Is not this also a manifestation of ego? The desire to fix everything? Can't be done. But we can ressonate the right things and, over time, this great being we call humanity can sort itself out and regain balance with nature (possibly without the need or motive for violence or even sacrifice).



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 10:37 AM
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I am seeing a lot of arguments about metaphysics and psychology, but who is challenging the ground the poster started the thread on.

Please, show you hard and set proof that you seem to have that America would have been conquered or dissolved without a standing army.

This is a ridiculous premise on it's face.

We are protected by two large oceans and bordered by countries that have never had the historical ability to conquer and hold a territory the size of the US.

Our advantageous location and our right to bear arms (100m+ gun owners in the US) makes it unlikely any enemy army could hold the US, especially since most of our enemies don't even have a population that large.

There have been many periods in history where our military was weak and ineffective compared to many militaries around the world, and yet we were never invaded and/or conquered.

This means I have proven my point without making up some fake Red Dawn scare monger history that never was.

Oh, and as a qualification I spent 3+ years as a US Army Ranger, so I don't hate America, etc.
My family was on this piece of land since the 1600's and we have a long history of service and political activism and service in our family for many generations. So don't start with all the ad hominum stuff please.

I have studied and looked after my service though, and I still can't find any country that could come even close to invading and/or occupying our country even if we cut our military down by 90% and stopped invading people.

Honestly our best bet would be a strong navy and a decent airforce and a lot of missiles. That's a solid defense in a country behind two oceans with millions upon millions of gun owners in it.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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first of all, thank you for your service. Secondly, my argument is that if we had no military, we would be invaded by someone. I don't know who, but some idiot would try. Would they win? I doubt it for the same reasons you posted. But do you want to fight them on your land. In your back yard? Are you sure you would win? How good are your family members at dodging mortars? you might be a pro at it, but most people in America would not know what to do. they would look to someone for leadership. then groups would form. ergo, an army. My point is because we have an army, these things will only be discussed here, and not practiced. No, nobody has attacked us. BECAUSE OF THE MILITARY! That is my point yet again. It is a point that cannot be proven, I will admit. But the only way to prove it, is to dissolve our protectors and wait for the inevitable. I don't want that.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by earthman4
American soldiers are not bad. There are many who are trying to do what they think is right. Unfortunatly the American soldier is drawn from the worst of us. Many are criminals and very ignorant. Many lack the ability to know right from wrong. Many are brainwashed and lack experience in life. I feel sorry for the rightious ones who are surrounded by idiots, trying to do the job they were given.

We used to make fun of Soviet soldiers who would not do anything unless ordered to do so. It seemed they had no mind of thier own and could not do anything without permission. Now we are that way.


And you're basing this BS statement on what? "Now we are that way"? What's this "we" you're speaking of, since obviously from you statement, you're not in the service.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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The US has already been invaded and conquored. The US was autonomous only for the briefest of times, then the english conquored this part of the empire back. But they are a stealth empire, they left you thinking you won and let you live your lives, develop your culture, while at the same time infiltrating your financial and political systems till you got bushes, till you get Obama, till you get the take over of GM, of Chrysler, of the remaining banks and so on.

And the british elite that did this did this in concert with all the other international elitist families, with all the other illuminati psychos. We are all conquored from within. Flags are meaningless in this reality for if we rally around the flag we are slaves to those who are holding the flag pole.

Just realise this for once and for all. The independent USA is a creation of political fiction, it was only this for the briefest of historical times, when there was the greenback. There is no independence with fractional reserve banking. At most there is an American culture of freedom, and it is this that must survive. The survival of institutions is secondary I guess, as long as the people are ok.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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well if we are ruled secretly by the English Elite, then it is painfully obvious they don't know how to run a country. With all you claim they have done, we are still heading toward financial ruin. And in times where the whole system is broken, a new system will emerge to take it's place. One thing will never disappear though. The pride in America that so many outside of this little web site have.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 02:30 PM
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Blaming soldiers for America's military strategy is like blaming a Wal mart cashier for the greed on wall street. I do not think that anyone blames any individual soldier for the actions of America. To say that people do not support the soldiers because they do not support the wars is pure idiocy and only idiots would make that claim.



posted on Jun, 22 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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They are parasitic. They are not interested in running a country right, only in feeding off it's dieing carcass, in destroying competition, in saving their butts from the people realizing who they are and what they do, in maintaining themselves at the top of the food chain, which at the same time is the bottom of the moral scale.

They don't want the money. They view the moneys as all theirs anyway. It's debt. Don't you realise this? All money is issued originally as a loan with interest, it has negative value! By the very act of using money you're indebting your country to the elites and, over time, the majority of the population will be enslaved by the system and thrown off the land. Money is the most effective mechanism for territorial conquest and, throughtout history, has conquored more land than any army could ever hope to.

Oh, they know full well what they are doing, but for it to make sense in your mind you must realise the basic premisse of ponerology, which is that our elites are usually, probably, pathological psychopaths. Compulsive liars. Reptilian brain motivated egomaniacs. They don't want to run a country, they want to OWN it. And own is NWO backwards.



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