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Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by Jim Scott
I'm going to tell you the cold simple truth about your words. Many if not all christians think as you do. They simply do not practice it.
That is all. I consider it a facade. People want to be good. You can't turn a bad man good, but you can easily turn a good man bad. If a good man even exits..
My suggestion to you, if you truly believe that you are going to carry out Jesus' will, is not to preach about. Never preach about it. Preaching is words, and words are meaningless. If you want to show "True Christianity" then go show it through your actions, instead of telling.
Originally posted by TheStev
So when you say the bible is inerrant, you're not referring to the KJV, which you now say may have errors? Sorry to point out an apparent contradiction, I'm just trying to get a feel for where you're coming from.
I must also wonder: if some errors can be identified using other texts, what other errors might exist in the text that cannot be identified in the same way?
As I mention, though, I do agree with the basic message you've put across here. I think there is some truth in the bible, and what you've had listed here is basically that. I'm just wary of people who consider every word of the bible to have come straight from God's mouth. I think that's dangerous.
Originally posted by TheStev
The Fathers that translated the Bible were of ONE opinion...they didn't simply translate into their OWN thinking.
Okay, if we're talking solely translation, then riddle me this: if those translating were of ONE opinion, why are there about 15 different english translations?
Originally posted by Jim Scott
2. There would be no condemnation or judgment to hell. Jesus Christ said He died for the sins of all mankind. He paid for your sins, full price, and you have eternal life, guaranteed. No man can take that away from you. No church doctrine can take it away.
I have seen it. Don't sweat the small stuff here. Live for God, not because of commandment but because of what He has given you out of love. The reason a true Christian doesn't do unrighteous acts is because he would do nothing to offend the God who loves him so much, not because he is under compulsory commandment to serve a vengeful god.
Originally posted by downtown436
Originally posted by Jim Scott
2. There would be no condemnation or judgment to hell. Jesus Christ said He died for the sins of all mankind. He paid for your sins, full price, and you have eternal life, guaranteed. No man can take that away from you. No church doctrine can take it away.
I have seen it. Don't sweat the small stuff here. Live for God, not because of commandment but because of what He has given you out of love. The reason a true Christian doesn't do unrighteous acts is because he would do nothing to offend the God who loves him so much, not because he is under compulsory commandment to serve a vengeful god.
Yes!! Jim Scott, you nailed it. I decided to quit feeling guilty for every action that I committed, a few years back. It set me free.
The thing that sealed it for me was when I discovered a terrible contradiction in Christianity (the church kind). The contradiction is hell, and God's love. If God loved us, he would never subject us to eternal punishment. Why would you create something just to eternally torture it? You wouldn't, and neither would God.
You point #2 is something that could really change a lot of people for the better, if they would open their minds.
Originally posted by Watchdog-Finland
So tell me whats the differance between Protestants, Cathoclics, and Evangelical Lutherenes, hmmmm tel me that, Nah i stil believe what ive read about the Christianity being a tool to gather the masses under one control in the old roman empire, one of the last meperors wanted to gahter all under hes own lil power so he told to hes best schollars to writte the bible and make it good, and so after it he became the first pope, nah i dont believe in the story sorry,
Originally posted by Watchdog-Finland
reply to post by Jim Scott
Not beliving you still sorry , oh btw by faith im Evagelical Lutheren, so you just trash tlakt my faith, so im not believing you sorry , the christ was made by a roman emperor to gather the masses, there was no God in this, its Lie
Originally posted by Jim Scott
Originally posted by Watchdog-Finland
So tell me whats the differance between Protestants, Cathoclics, and Evangelical Lutherenes, hmmmm tel me that, Nah i stil believe what ive read about the Christianity being a tool to gather the masses under one control in the old roman empire, one of the last meperors wanted to gahter all under hes own lil power so he told to hes best schollars to writte the bible and make it good, and so after it he became the first pope, nah i dont believe in the story sorry,
Catholics combined the Alexandrian codex (gnostics against Christ) with the good manuscripts, created a religion based on works. Protestants started with Martin Luther, who, a monk scholar, discovered that we are saved by our faith. Lutherans and other Protestants then moved backward from faith only to works and faith, resulting in the wrong word sent to the masses. The good news was buried in favor of the financial business of religion. Today Christianity ignores the saving grace, and requires righteousness by believers to inherit heaven. That is not Christianity, and it is no wonder you and I do not believe in it.
Christianity knows no emperor, no nation, no power other than that of God as its master. While we are compelled to obey the law of the land we live in, by law, we are more than free of the laws of God in that His Son has obeyed those laws on our behalf. Since our disobedience requires a just and fair God to punish us for our sins, Jesus steps into our place and is punished for us because He loves us. We are not under the law, but under the free gift of forgiveness, which reconciles us to God. We can boldly go into the presence of God, as sinless as Jesus Christ, because our sin has been removed 100% by the justice of God punishing Jesus for us. We escape that punishment, and are not condemned. This is the "good news", aka gospel, of Jesus Christ. Because He died for us, we are set free of the law and live under the grace of God. We are therefore, because of His love for us, willing servants to Him. He, who has saved us from death and hell, loved us so much that He died for us.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His Son, that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.
Jesus' teachings are not seen today in 99% of the places you look. You know the truth, and you sense the truth, and you have rightly turned away from the lies. When the day comes that you return to Him, you will find Him like the father of the prodigal son. When the father saw His son returning, He ***ran*** to Him. Likewise, when Jesus was walking on the water and Peter attempted to walk on the water, also, but was sinking when he saw the troubled water----Peter cried out "Jesus, save me." You will see the typical reaction of God to that appeal: Jesus hand stretched out to Peter ***immediately***.
God loves us. He will always love us, just as we love our own children, even when they do something bad. Just as we would not hurt our children, God wants the best for us. He has the power to make your life miserable, though, to make you a better person.
A man stands tallest when he is on his knees before God.
[edit on 21-6-2009 by Jim Scott]
Christianity knows no emperor, no nation, no power other than that of God as its master.
While we are compelled to obey the law of the land we live in, by law, we are more than free of the laws of God in that His Son has obeyed those laws on our behalf.
Since our disobedience requires a just and fair God to punish us for our sins, Jesus steps into our place and is punished for us because He loves us. We are not under the law, but under the free gift of forgiveness, which reconciles us to God. We can boldly go into the presence of God, as sinless as Jesus Christ, because our sin has been removed 100% by the justice of God punishing Jesus for us.
Originally posted by Watchdog-Finland
reply to post by helen670
LOL i dont need to show you guys anything, at all you have just not readed does parts, of the bible or just not understanded em, just keep lying to your selfs.........oh Beised there is a god But hes not human amde as the one you worship.....We havent yet found out the name but its up there, and there si no Heaven or hell allso now thats a scamm,