Originally posted by Oldnslo


Believe me when I say you, and your kind, are the reason I'd like to see a complete pull-back of all US ground forces to the continental 48 and let you whiners and America haters deal with the evil in this world by yourselves. It's what folks like you deserve. A real dose of reality.

oh man oh man
pretty please, do it!

What is truly astounding is that you think the rest of the world asked you to invade them...
Propaganda at work and at his finest.

And even if we are wrong and can't do our life without you, so be it! Where is it written and by whom that you must intervene outside of your country????

I did many years in the Navy myself. I know firsthand it is not the policy of recruiters to lie, at least not the Navy ones. I do personally think they do not volunteer information. If you go in as an undesignated fireman, they don't tell you you will most likely get no sleep, spend your time cleaning out bilges, and standing 2, 8 hour watches on your duty days. Also that if you have a better ASVAB score you can choose a rate, rather than go in undesignated. I know they do not lie, but they don't volunteer information either. For the record I am not knocking recruiters, they work hard and put in tons of hours. Just stating things as I honestly saw them.

[edit on 18-7-2009 by dracazoe]

all new recruits look like kids to me, encouraged to become killers by recruiters and parents, made to rely upon politicians to tell us the truth always when they prove every year they constantly lie to us. Over here in the UK army cadet forces train kids as young as 6.

Ehhhhhh, sorry, don't buy it. I did a tour in the USN for what *I* wanted to do. My recruiter though, told me I would be doing my job, plus fixing the plane I was in when it went down. In fact, he promised me everything but CO status just to get my signature. I joined because my father retired from the USN. Besides, in todays' military there is no dignity. Even the oath is doublespeak for protecting the wrinkle-sacks in high government, and throwing themselves on the sword for their crooked agenda after being brainwashed with the 'war on terror' blabber. The trigger men are now the meat puppets being sent all over the world to occupy and control other nations in the name of 'peace and security'. People become property as soon as they 'sign the line' and spout the oath.
To me, recruiters are just like car salesmen. Sorry, but I already went through that turnstyle, and don't care to go back.

Best of luck to you though

I have a story.

When I was 17 I wanted to join the Air National Guard. Mainly for the money benefits, but I needed to do something with my life to stay out of trouble, and from what I learned about my local Guard unit, they were a combat communications squad and the training I learned there would be a good start on a good "civilian job".

By the time I was 17 I had around 32 misdeamoners and 1 felony on my juvenile record, no adult charges. All minor charges, the felony being theft by recieving.

So I contacted a recruiter, and went through the basic questions and information process. I at a point was going to go to take some physical and I think some other tests, including drug tests.

My recruited under no certain terms informed me that marijuana in your system was not a disqualifying drug, but other drugs would disqualify for years or months depending on the drug.

Upon arriving at the center for tests, the absolute first thing they tell us is if you have marijuana in your system your wasting your time, 6 months you are disqualified, coc aine 1 year, etc....

I immediately was like WTF?!?! Why would my recruiter allow me to come here, knowing that I was going to fail, I had informed him that I regularly smoked marijuana, and if I needed to stop to clear my system out it would be no problem.

So of course my tests come up positive and bam, disqualified.

Somehow, my recruiter worked a loophole where I could go to another facility for the tests, and my first test would be as though it never happened.

Knowing from my first experience, I stopped smoking and went on to pass the test.

Ended up being sworn in, raised my hand all that jazz and was now an "official" member of the Arkansas Air National Guard.

Or was I?

About 2-3 weeks after my swearing in (I also got a nice little coffee mug) I recieved a call from my recruiter, telling me there was "some kind of problem with my drug test" and I needed to come in and speak to him, and the Colonel.

Apparently "further" tests on my already passed drug test found "something" and I was being given the boot. They kindly explained that since I had just gotten in, no paperwork had really went through, I wasn't officially in the AANG, there would be no discharge, and have nice day. Oh, and I couldn't apply for ANY branch of the Air Force.

I was like I couldn't understand it, and honestly still can't make since of it. My best guess, was that they got access to my juvenile records, deemed me as a troublemaker or someone who would be a hardhead and figured I'd be better suited in the Army or Marines.

The OP explaining that even a juvenile felony counts against you, makes that seem more likely.

I was active duty USMC from 02-06, and my recruiter didn't lie to me at all. He told me everything I asked, honestly... My enlisted experience from E-1 to E-5 in those 4 years was pretty much exactly what he said it may have been.

The "Career retention specialist" though, was another story. My brother, who enlisted in the Army, had the same type of experience with the recruiter, and the same type of experience with 'career retention specialist'...

There were not an inordinate amount of people, while enlisted, that I personally talked to that expressed a bad attitude about their recruiter....

It would seem to me that these bad reviews are similar to the "Bad review" cesspools about any and all products on the internet: only the dissatisfied complain.

When only the dissatisfied complain and those satisfied don't speak up at all, any third party could easily get the wrong impression that dissatisfaction rules the board.