I am a Military Recruiter and would like to clear up some misconceptions.

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posted on Jul, 4 2009 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by Oldnslo


Believe me when I say you, and your kind, are the reason I'd like to see a complete pull-back of all US ground forces to the continental 48 and let you whiners and America haters deal with the evil in this world by yourselves. It's what folks like you deserve. A real dose of reality.





oh man oh man
pretty please, do it!

What is truly astounding is that you think the rest of the world asked you to invade them...
Propaganda at work and at his finest.

And even if we are wrong and can't do our life without you, so be it! Where is it written and by whom that you must intervene outside of your country????




posted on Jul, 4 2009 @ 07:56 AM
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Please read a history or that war. The US didn't lose any major battles. America lost because the NVA willing to inflict casualties on the americans. It didn't matter how many of there own were lost to achieve this end. Giap was willing to lose any number of men to achieve this end. In the end the american people decided that enough men had been lost and forced thier gov't to leave. Even Giap admitted that was his plan.
By the way the Marine Corp is delaying the entrance of poolies by a week. Even after waiting up to a year with plenty of time to think about what they are getting into more than the normal amout of young men are staying with there intention of serving in the millitary.
Sempher Fi! Juston. You got a brass set ...for a swabbie.



posted on Jul, 5 2009 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by BeyondBelow
reply to post by Juston
 


Please spin garbage and try to recruit future murderers, and future mind control slaves elsewhere please. ATS is not a medium for you to try and find future casualties of imperialistic economic war. I as most others on this site are not at all interested in reading your posts which are meager regurgitation of your recruiting hand book, or canned response media propaganda. And yes you being a recruiter are a liar, there is no justification for murder ever, not for country, religion, or belief EVER. Our current military boot camp is based on simple tear down rebuild mind control techniques. You my friend are just another slave to the imperialistic ideals of the military industrial complex, and sadly based on your posts will remain as such until your end.

And another point, I have never met(and I've met alot) a combat veteran that didn't regret their service, and their taking of life. By the way My grand father was special forces highly decorated and was involved with the cia for many years, he is the one who made me and my father both swear we would not join the military. Save the response, I am not interested in anything you have to offer in the way of a retort, you sell of the lives off your fellow citizens for what? Really was us going into Irag or Kuwait really for the security of our country? And why don't you explain to these folks that might buy this garbage you puking up what G.I. means, and what rights you sign away in your enlistment paperwork.

By the way love the moniker you chose, that alone speaks volumes about your mental mind set. Death Destruction and suffering. Perfect description for you and your compatriots activities.

[edit on 19-6-2009 by BeyondBelow]


Just a big LOL.

Did anyone want to tell this guy that unless he and his grandfather are very young, he didn't work in USASOC?



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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I did many years in the Navy myself. I know firsthand it is not the policy of recruiters to lie, at least not the Navy ones. I do personally think they do not volunteer information. If you go in as an undesignated fireman, they don't tell you you will most likely get no sleep, spend your time cleaning out bilges, and standing 2, 8 hour watches on your duty days. Also that if you have a better ASVAB score you can choose a rate, rather than go in undesignated. I know they do not lie, but they don't volunteer information either. For the record I am not knocking recruiters, they work hard and put in tons of hours. Just stating things as I honestly saw them.

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posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 10:14 PM
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all new recruits look like kids to me, encouraged to become killers by recruiters and parents, made to rely upon politicians to tell us the truth always when they prove every year they constantly lie to us. Over here in the UK army cadet forces train kids as young as 6.



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 10:34 PM
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Ehhhhhh, sorry, don't buy it. I did a tour in the USN for what *I* wanted to do. My recruiter though, told me I would be doing my job, plus fixing the plane I was in when it went down. In fact, he promised me everything but CO status just to get my signature. I joined because my father retired from the USN. Besides, in todays' military there is no dignity. Even the oath is doublespeak for protecting the wrinkle-sacks in high government, and throwing themselves on the sword for their crooked agenda after being brainwashed with the 'war on terror' blabber. The trigger men are now the meat puppets being sent all over the world to occupy and control other nations in the name of 'peace and security'. People become property as soon as they 'sign the line' and spout the oath.
To me, recruiters are just like car salesmen. Sorry, but I already went through that turnstyle, and don't care to go back.

Best of luck to you though



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 10:46 PM
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I have a story.

When I was 17 I wanted to join the Air National Guard. Mainly for the money benefits, but I needed to do something with my life to stay out of trouble, and from what I learned about my local Guard unit, they were a combat communications squad and the training I learned there would be a good start on a good "civilian job".

By the time I was 17 I had around 32 misdeamoners and 1 felony on my juvenile record, no adult charges. All minor charges, the felony being theft by recieving.

So I contacted a recruiter, and went through the basic questions and information process. I at a point was going to go to take some physical and I think some other tests, including drug tests.

My recruited under no certain terms informed me that marijuana in your system was not a disqualifying drug, but other drugs would disqualify for years or months depending on the drug.

Upon arriving at the center for tests, the absolute first thing they tell us is if you have marijuana in your system your wasting your time, 6 months you are disqualified, coc aine 1 year, etc....

I immediately was like WTF?!?! Why would my recruiter allow me to come here, knowing that I was going to fail, I had informed him that I regularly smoked marijuana, and if I needed to stop to clear my system out it would be no problem.

So of course my tests come up positive and bam, disqualified.

Somehow, my recruiter worked a loophole where I could go to another facility for the tests, and my first test would be as though it never happened.

Knowing from my first experience, I stopped smoking and went on to pass the test.

Ended up being sworn in, raised my hand all that jazz and was now an "official" member of the Arkansas Air National Guard.

Or was I?

About 2-3 weeks after my swearing in (I also got a nice little coffee mug) I recieved a call from my recruiter, telling me there was "some kind of problem with my drug test" and I needed to come in and speak to him, and the Colonel.

Apparently "further" tests on my already passed drug test found "something" and I was being given the boot. They kindly explained that since I had just gotten in, no paperwork had really went through, I wasn't officially in the AANG, there would be no discharge, and have nice day. Oh, and I couldn't apply for ANY branch of the Air Force.

I was like
I couldn't understand it, and honestly still can't make since of it. My best guess, was that they got access to my juvenile records, deemed me as a troublemaker or someone who would be a hardhead and figured I'd be better suited in the Army or Marines.

The OP explaining that even a juvenile felony counts against you, makes that seem more likely.



posted on Jul, 14 2010 @ 11:53 PM
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I was active duty USMC from 02-06, and my recruiter didn't lie to me at all. He told me everything I asked, honestly... My enlisted experience from E-1 to E-5 in those 4 years was pretty much exactly what he said it may have been.

The "Career retention specialist" though, was another story. My brother, who enlisted in the Army, had the same type of experience with the recruiter, and the same type of experience with 'career retention specialist'...

There were not an inordinate amount of people, while enlisted, that I personally talked to that expressed a bad attitude about their recruiter....

It would seem to me that these bad reviews are similar to the "Bad review" cesspools about any and all products on the internet: only the dissatisfied complain.

When only the dissatisfied complain and those satisfied don't speak up at all, any third party could easily get the wrong impression that dissatisfaction rules the board.



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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I enjoyed reading your response...it makes a lot of sense and is clear cut. I believe people try to push their false preconceived notions as truth. There are so many misconceptions and misunderstanding of the military branches as a whole. Very few people honestly take the time research and find out the basic concepts. I am a new recruit for the Air Force. I am still in the preliminary stages as I have not yet taken the ASVAB or gone to MEPS yet. However, before I decided to join I did tons and tons, of research to make sure this is what I want for my life and my family's lives. Ultimately, when I first attempted contacting someone from the Air Force website via live chat the individual immediately informed me that I did not qualify because I have two boys and ended the conversation there. I knew that the information was misguided and I continued to look more in to it because I just could not believe that because I have a family that I would not be accepted. So instead of ending my quest for answers with some misinformation. I made a trip to my local recruiting office and asked in person. I was told that was totally inaccurate and filled out paperwork to begin the process. Since then I took a practice ASVAB and scored 100% in two areas and 80% in another. Ultimately, I will begin the processing stages in February and I could not be more excited and ready for the challenges ahead. So thank you for your insight. I do have one concerning question for you if you don't mind giving me your perspective.

I originally spoke with my recruiter in December 2013. We discussed processing in February to allow time for completing my last two classes for my AA in Spring semester 2014 therefore I will most likely enlist as a higher rank based on education and not be shipped out to BMT until June or July. This Saturday will be February 1st and I have emailed him approximately 3 times each about a week apart and he has not yet responded to me. This does make be a bit frustrated because I don't want to bombard him with questions as I am sure he is busy but I feel as if I deserve to be respectfully communicated with when I do have questions or concerns. I am not sure if I should contact an alternative recruiter in my region as I believe that may be rude to my initial conversation with my recruiter. Should I be upset about the non response? Is this standard? I had the impression that recruiters are there for their enlisters and that they are your so called guide for everything from filing paperwork all the way to the bus for basic training. I don't feel this is the situation in my case. What is your insight on this?



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 02:35 PM
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Enjoyed your post Juston.
I am glad you came in to clarify and show whats up.
Only the ignorant extemenist would come onto the thread to give their 2 cents on something they know nothing of. These kinds of people get other people killed, such a waste these extremenist are.
I had a good experience with my recruiter and still to this day, love the military.
Awesome battle buddies and the work load is not tough at all, the mentality is kind of raunchy, though I love it, most guys curse a storm up! an some of these soldiers can crack you up ALL DAY!! I'm a happy person.
When I read an extremenist POV on soldiers, I smile and show my battle buddies what these other guys think of us, we all have a great laugh, knowing that we are slaves to demon corporations, mindless robotic soldiers killing babies and random stuff, LMFAO, seriously it gets old, but still, a good laugh.
Understand my friend, there is a huge anti military crowd here and they can't see the light even if they looked at the sun.
Alot of these people are just not educated on the realities of this hostile world.
Remove us and who will protect them? this world has a history of one empire to the next and guess what? people die as a result.
Sometimes, I wish our military would just up an disappeared on morning, then all the anti crowds would be like YES!!....for a little while....then suddenly other nations will move in on us and wipe out the people and start building their own infrastructure. Of course the anti-military crowd would of course would be, "come onto my property an ill shoot you!!", yeah how many bullets you got? did'nt think so. Or they peacefully surrender, confident that no harm would come, wrong. Now your a work slave to better the foreign army, lol.
All in all, stay strong bud, spread the word an show compassion to these anti groups, regardless of what they think, I will still save them, fight for them...die for them.
Because its my duty, my honor to.



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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Wassup. When I was younger I shied away from service and instead went into college. Many years later I concluded I would have been better served if I had joined and then went to college after. I don't know. I met a guy in college who complained he had lost years in the military.

Anyway, I think many people have opinions about the wars and don't join out of fear of what it means to fight a war you may not support. Others are afraid of getting shot. I guess I can somewhat share those feelings. My dad went into the arm yfrr a couple years. We differ on our opinions about it.

I think the military is a good option for someone young if they believe it's the right thing for them. I think some people - in fact - benefit greatly from it.

I don't think people in the military are dumb, unless dumb includes average people like myself or others I've known. I knew someone in HS had very high IQ and wanted to serve. Many highly educated people have served.

I remember in college in a writing class there was a guy who sat across from me who was training to command M1 Abrahms tanks. He was off duty or something and attending college. He was a lot like myself. It was an eye opener. This was just after we had entered into conflict wiht Iraq under Bush 2.

I remember working in 2001 and I knew a guy who drove hte trucks and he had been active military all over hte world driving the heavy military trucks. I don't think he ever told me exactly where and how and what. He was in asia.
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posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 05:24 PM
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Having read this ...rather long thread I would like to understand something about you who are posting I was not stupid or duped because ,yes,I DID join because violence is in me. And I have the ability to read and learn.They hit us in Beruit and I wanted to FIGHT.I AM THE VET who's buddies and friends refer to as "That guy" or "Killer" I wanted sniper school most of all but I wanted 19d100 more.Recon over Rambo. I KNEW there would be lies in fact your VERY LAST day of fair was when you stepped out over the threshold of the family home.

Fair is there...if you can enforce it or stop others from not being fair by a proxy. UCMJ replaces ALL Constitutional rights if you join the military. I knew that. there is MEDIA showing exquisitely the above OBVIOUS facts. I would want a lot of the people on this forum to come ANYWHERE NEAR me in a war zone and get my people killed anymore than have a psychopath who can't follow order's because he hasn't killed a child today.
YOU liberals have built up the politicians who have formented and perpetuated the war machine as well, but the people you hire have NO IDEA how to lead ,get people killed and cause the next war so we have to elect hawks to put out your damn fires.All the time those who profit celebrate your efforts to further denigrate America's strength of character for your latest cause DU JOR.

Then YOU show up and hit ME with your newspaper and say "bad dog" because our elected officials are and have been scum?


Grow up children,time is of the essence.
If you fail to stop them then...

Carnage will be,your failure,not mine
I designed my own icon it feels ok to me.
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posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 06:21 PM
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Well this is all nice and dandy defense

two parts

1)to those running him down

His job as someone else said is a salesman

Those who never signed on the bottom line have no place running him down


2) OP no dice

Most of what you have said is from careful coaching and training

Let us start with the very first issue

Violation of the Navy's core values by the recruiters office

Honor, Courage, and Commitment

Every division pushed has someone who utters the famous phrase
"but my recruiter said.."

Your office and every other one of them is in need of being returned to military discipline

The principle of the core values are violated every day
This violation is the first in a long set of problems that beset the world most powerful navy
that loss of honor rolls into other problems

(For the record I knew what I was getting into.. I .. I bypassed my crap till I had accumulated enough enemies to matter
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Explain this to me

What do you tell your recruits to say during the moment of truth
What do you instruct them on responding when they have their interview with the senior enlisted

You mark it off as being prepared correct


We can also go into the fact of the matter recruiters who do good also get promotions faster..
Outside their rates.



My Question OP is this..

Keeping HONOR, COURAGE, and COMMITMENT in mind

How many of the people are sent to meps that are not ready.. By you..

Remember.. HCC, no tricks..

To the worlds most powerful Navy


and our little brothers..



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 07:23 PM
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SpacePunk
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Since when do recruiters not lie? You are trained to lie. You are trained in lies of omission, and misrepresentation.


and 28 morons starred this moronic post
PROVE your statement



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 07:55 PM
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interesting thread..as my recuiter ( when i re-enlisted) told me, "my job is to get you into the military"

as the op said there are always good and bad recruiters out there...and yes they will stretch the truth or not mention something, 'well, you didnt really ask' and yes they will lie...maybe to you, maybe to the govt..my story is ..almost..comicial, and no im not a felon


i see nothing wrong with military service but gotta look out for yourself, because nobody else is...



posted on Jan, 26 2014 @ 08:15 PM
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shiman
Sorry, op, but over a certain intelligence level and you cannot get into the military as a private, or, if you are even smarter, you cannot get into the regular military at all, without a college degree or something.


Oh, I don't know about that. I had a 33 on my ACT and smoked the ASVAB, I got wined and dined by everyone from the Army to the Coast Guard.

MY only gripe about recruiters is that they don't know what options are available that are a bit 'off' from the normal career paths. That seems to be a LITTLE better now, at least my 2nd cousins that have gone in were informed about being able to get contracts for certain MOSs. I still haven't found a recruiter that could, say, tell you what you needed to do from the outset to end up in, say, ONR or AFRL as an end goal. I actually haven't found a recruiter that knew what ONR was.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 12:25 AM
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Hi, I am dating a man who is in the DEP for the USAF. He will begin basic training in a few months. I met him after he had signed up for the military and I support his decision to join 110%. He wants me to join him wherever he is stationed after BMT. Our plan was to get married and for us to both move at the same time. Now today I was told that his recruiter will disqualify him from the USAF and I would have to stay single and move on my own. Is this correct? Is it because he signed a contract and was sworn in as a single man? When could we possibly go through with marriage? I want nothing more than to see him become an airman and spend the rest of my life with him. Replies from anyone welcome!



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 12:36 AM
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Once he's in boot, the recruiter doesn't have a thing to say about it anymore. You can marry him whenever you feel like. They really have no say in the matter. However, be aware he's not going to be paid squat for a while, and he'll have to live in on-base housing for a while too. You might want to wait until he's through boot and his school, and is in his first assignment. Then it might be worth waiting until he makes E4 (unless he's O track). Until he's been an E5 for a bit, you might as well plan on section 8 housing and food stamps, unless they pay a lot better than what we got in the Army.

But then, it's been a while since I was in. I don't think the basics have changed a lot though.

Hope you like small, potato stamped concrete block apartments on base. Enlisted housing, if you can get it, is pretty bleak.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 03:09 PM
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Things are a little different today. Can't Marry while he's in boot camp. And I'd wait till he's at his first duty station,after all advanced training is over. My son married as an E-2.in 2013, his base pay was better than I made as an E-4 in the early 1980's. BHA (basic housing allowance) is really good today.



posted on Apr, 29 2014 @ 05:07 PM
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Don't get married in your first hitch. The military should have acted on its own instincts and banned that a long time ago. I've seen this happen to two different guys- you get in a fight, or worse you're away, she goes and hangs out with some other troops, gets drunk and has some fun with 1-5 of your "friends", then when your alleged friends and fellow serviceman laugh about it to you and you ask her about it, she claims she was raped and your CO tells you he's not touching that allegation and you're a putz if you don't kick her to the curb.

Even if your woman genuinely loves you and wouldn't do that to you (and there are plenty who wouldn't) the time apart breeds mistrust. You hit an ATM overseas and she thinks you're buying Thai hookers, she gets lonely and has an old friend over, you assume she's banging him. And no matter what you tell her about being a military wife, there is really no way she could possibly understand what she's getting herself into when she's there- she's basically in the military, only without the benefit of being considered a valuable resource like her husband- and you'll just have to see if she can really handle that.

In fact I think the ancient greeks had it right- put em in the military before their old enough for a family and keep 'em celibate except for compulsory homosexuality within the unit. If you don't want to kill somebody after that I don't know what it takes.





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