Well said, beyond, well said indeed. Thanks.

I wanna make a disclaimer now

Yes, I like the band Slayer. But really, what does that have to do anything? It's music, not my personal mantra or ideology.

Furthermore. I am not here for recruiting purposes!
I know that is against the ATS T&C

And Finally,
Are personal attacks really required? Can we show a lil' decency?

Edit - apologies to the Op....after some consideration I realized how badly I had generalized recruiters and I understand everyone doesn't operate like that. I was wrong to paint everyone with a broad brush




[edit on 6/19/09 by BlackOps719]

Originally posted by Juston
I wanna make a disclaimer now

Yes, I like the band Slayer. But really, what does that have to do anything? It's music, not my personal mantra or ideology.

Furthermore. I am not here for recruiting purposes!
I know that is against the ATS T&C

And Finally,
Are personal attacks really required? Can we show a lil' decency?

I like your avatar. The poster that has critised it probably has never heard a slayer song in their life. Their rant on your choice of avatar reminds me of the congressional hearings against rock music. They attack what they don't understand.

You won't get through to the anti military group. They have their position and will not budge. They will claim they have family members in the military and understand what the military does to their members.

Nice of you to try a differant approach though.

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The military want the brightest strongest recruits.

People love trying to portray military people as all muscle with no brain, but it isn't their fault, just look at any Schwarzenegger movie to see where people get the idea.

Have control of the strong fit young men and you have control of any resistance that might crop up

Originally posted by BlackOps719

In my own experience I have found that military recruiters are class A chicken hawks. Used car salemen in uniform who who would kick their own mother in the back to get a fresh life inked on the dotted line.

It sounds like you had a bad experience with a recruiting officer.

You prey upon poor kids like the ones who are from town's like the one I grew up in. Kid's who's options are limited to a life of poverty, crime or a lucrative career murdering for Uncle Sam. All well and good until they get their legs blown off and end up forgotten about in some dirty VA hospital with no benefits or recognition.

I must point out that leading a life crime as you have typed or "murdering for Uncle Sam" is slightly far fetched. So that would mean all who died during WWI and WWII and consecutive wars were stupid and or were living in poverty. Although the system is not perfective, however it has provided you with something you are currently using. That would be called freedom if im not mistaken. At this point it should be pointed out that the same methods of recruiting for the U.S forces is also used in every country with slight modifications to cater for the cultural differences.

Funny you pointed out the economy being such a big booster for business. I have been saying for the last year or so that I believe one of the biggest reasons the economy is being tanked and manipulated is so the military can re-stock it's ranks with fresh meat for the new wars that they are planning in the months to come.

Sure, the military is a trillion dollar industry were it employ's millions of people who in turn have family's who in turn either become CEO's or any other field of interest.

As a recruiter you are what you are, and I respect the men and women of the military for their sacrifices, even though I dont agree with much of what they do.

But don't come in here and sell yourself as some nice guy friend to all. You are a crew cut and a number and you make your living by sending naive 18 years old's off to die.

There are recruiting officers for various reason's, either they have persuasive skill's or they are in sync or they have a higher education which the private sector cannot cater for them or are simply not fit to serve in armed combat units. You should also point out that there are people who have benefited from being recruited as after they leave, they persure an occupation based on their military career.

But, by all means people, use your intelligence to try and achieve your own path in life, either as a tradesman or as businessman or a military career, everyone has option's its just at which angle you choose to view your options.

If a convicted murderer wants to enlist in infantry and battle on the front lines in a war, why wouldn't they allow that? I don't mean any disrespect, I'm just curious...if he already knows how to use a gun, is willing to go through training, but understands he won't hesitate to pull the trigger against an enemy, why wouldn't he be able to? Is it fear of friendly fire??

Ha...
Now I dont like to attack people personally... but you made me laugh...
You spent your time in the Navy. Like a certain someone told me "If I were you I wouldnt go for infantry type work. I would go in the Navy! Electricity, hot showers, cooks, VIDEO GAMES!!!" (Not for me.)
Not to mention stationed in Japan. Most peaceful nation on earth.
So I can see why you think you arent doing an evil job. But you comfortably send people off to war. To places you know nothing about, if you are no longer actively in combat. Stop trying to act like the victim.

Recruiters I dont really have respect for (unless they got transferred there). If people want to join they will join, they dont need people soliciting them, so yes your job is to be a salesman.

Let me correct you on a few things:
1. You are right, the majority in military are intelligent and most of everyone I have met have been wonderful people. But there are always exceptions.
2. Yes there are benefits, as well as downsides, but in my mind the fact that we have militaries at all in the world is proof of a failed system. We are mercenaries with a pretty title. And I have heard from numerous african-american soldat that the 'gettoes' in america are kept poor so that the Army can recruit there easier.
3. There are plenty of handicapped people. I have met many logistics people in wheelchairs, or crutches, some people with missing arms, etc.


Oh PS - I can name dozens of people, just off the top of my head, who regret military service. I could write a book series worth of their and my stories. Mostly Russians who have been to Chechnya. Advice: do NOT go there. America always has this unwarranted Godly view of military service. Probably due to seeing it from furnished green zones and cockpits miles up. But dont get me wrong I have met a number of Americans who see war from enemy territory too.

oh my gosh...

I'm at a loss at the amount of monkey poop being slung around in this thread. There's no point in even trying to dodge it... it's just beyond thick in here.

I guess I'm trying to understand where the real anger is at, because I'm not so sure Juston deserved what he just received. NO ONE should ever have to experience losing someone to war, especially when that war is something that shouldn't have even happened. But shouldn't that anger be directed at the person(s) behind that? *cough*government*cough* Why at this recruiter, who is currently serving his country?

I think where I'm lacking knowledge is this... where would we be if we had no military in place? All the other places that do have military would pwn us in seconds if we couldn't defend ourselves, or am I missing something? (It's a serious question in an attempt to learn here, so be gentle). So in the understanding of needing a military, we need recruiters.

The only lies I know of to get angry at are the ones our government tells us when they abuse our own military forces by sending them to places not necessary. Juston doesn't make 'those' choices... he's just trying to support what he feels is helping to keep our nation protected. I'm honestly confused here.