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lets see here... when i enlisted, i was promised E-3 out of boot camp! i even got the required 4 people to enlist with me during my DEP program, ran
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep Is cheaper than them uniforms,
an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind, There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face.
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
-- Rudyard Kipling
Originally posted by Bachrk
I had to chime in here.
My husband of 11 years enlisted in the Air Force. Served in Desert Storm. After he served they paid for his college education AND paid him not to work until it was completed. He raised 2 babies without the mother while attending school and although he didn't have to he also worked at FedEx in the hub.
Today he not only has his BA, but his engineering degree (PE) and his Masters in Business. He makes a 6 figure income working only the standard 40 hr week.
The military assisted in our decent lifestyle today.
Originally posted by Mindmelding
Almost makes all those dead Iraqis and Afghanis worth it, eh? I'm so happy you're a 6 figure income family as the rest of the world goes to hell. Maybe if you are willing to do a few more blood sacrifices you can hit 7 figures.
Originally posted by JesusBorba
What's really shamefull about all this is that they still try to defend the american military institution like it's a necessary one.
Yeah ok let's just forget the last 60 years of torture and genocide in the name of freedom and democracy sponsored by your military in the Central and South America, the SoA is responsible for that. IThe School was "closed" in 2000, just changed names of course. The irony is that the same torture techs used here are being used in Iraqui prisons, just a coincedence of course.
Let's forget Vietnam and the 3 million vietnamese that died there, because of a false flag attack, and the fact that you had to fight communism and all that bs, now the new buggyman is terrorism.
The mere fact that you people prey on the confused and troubled adolescents (most of them are) and recruit these teenagers to be a part of such a rotten and evil institution make you as guilty as the bankers and corporations who profit from this chaos.
I read all the posts and the same insane defenses for genocide and psychopatic behavior never fail to show up, you know the "you should never bash the soldiers" #, if you "choose" to join and be part of the problem be prepared to receive criticism and not just congratulations on a "job" well done. Don't let the patriotic bull# cloud your reasoning.
Like Krystie said, the strawman arguments (the beating next door #ty one), are a pathetic attempt to turn this discussion around and never adress the true issue, you know, the one that everybody involved in this, from the recruiters to the ones firing guns at iraq are a part of the engine of death and destruction being used to secure the interests of the big corporations profitting from war and resources exploration in third world countries, money and power is what this is about.
And don't come with the bull# that the teens can think for themselves and all that, just watch a movie called "The Wave" (the 1982 or the new german one called "Die Welle", based on a real experiment btw in your country), to see how malleable and easy to manipulate a teenager mind is, espeacilly one that is hopeless and have no clue about his future. Someone here already said this, there are towns in the US for farming soldiers, usually the ones with more economic and social problems. Since the big corporations need the army they create these situations.
An army for self defense is perfectly acceptable, but that is not what you have, you have one bloated monster to maintain the status quo of the elite around the world (and not just the american elite).
[edit on 19-6-2009 by JesusBorba]
[edit on 19-6-2009 by JesusBorba]