While I agree with the OP's sentiment, I doubt it'll really happen in our lifetimes. Mind you, this is if you even accept that there was an actual "America" that you were born into that legends tell you of, and not the shell and sham of a country we've lived in for the past decades.

We're just yet another 'too big to fail' entity.

bubt, I'm not going to participate in your obvious troll thread so you can try to boost some mythical stat or score by getting stars or whatever.

Any Questions?


Are you a politician?
Seems like you took a lot of time and words to say absolutely nothing tbh.

The web bot project at halfasthuman have just released their latest alta report cheap so i bought it and t\it states that the dollar is going to cease to be the worlds currency and TPTB are going to be screwed out of existence.

The derivatived bubble is going to collapse and markets fail from about july.

Revolution and even ufo's are mentioned along with something they call [alien wars] and [energies from space]

It's not just the US going through this, it's ALL governments UK and today australia is grilling Rudd for a car loan scandal - Iran another revolution the list goes on.

The answer is to organise into [self organising collectives] which give an out to the rat race - one that I am considering given the accuracy of the past reports and the fact that I work in finance which is going to be screwed over in a big way..

You know why this thread has zero substance?

Because ATS has provided all the substance that we will ever need.



Connect the dots and what do you get?

TPTB are going to shut the USA down... Simple as that.

And when I say they are going to Shut us Down... take it literally... It's over.


All I'm asking for is people to acknowledge this as a fact. (and many have)

Thank you.






It has become so obvious now... that no explanation is needed.

Have to type this quickly because I need to go to work, so bear with me. It's going to be fairly cryptic...

Canadian here. I just want to say that what is happening to the U.S. is terrible, but it's no surprise. Many people saw this coming for decades. The greed, corruption, war-mongering and everything else is reaching a crescendo - and the same powers that be that ruled in other parts of the world and did evil have hijacked the nation to further its goals.

However...

America, you are still the light of the world. And where you go and what you undergo the rest of us will too. And that's a good thing. The old paradigm is dying. And just as the backpatters, handshakers, and dealers are reveling in what they see as the spoils of war and tyranny, you're going to transform. Yes, you as a nation will die. You will die very soon. but like a Phoenix, you will be reborn. Christ underwent the same death two thousand years ago, and the same thing is happening to you. And in your rebirth - when the people are finally forced to confront their fears and realize that no one in fact "leads" them, they will realize that they are sovereign Beings more than equipped to deal with whatever is thrown at them. And they will overcome. And in your rebirth as a nation, you will light up the world once again like a candle in the dark for all the world to see. While the rest of us flounder and flop around like fish on dry land, you will be teaching and reaching out to others beyond your borders - bringing them solace and comfort. For while we will be lost, you will have become the first to find the way and bring us back out. That's the trouble and beauty of being number one, America. And I guess that as a nation, you knew this responsibility would be bestowed upon you long ago. And you still took it on. Kudos.

It will be the end of governance as we know it - and rule by the people - because for the first time, Americans as a whole will have taken a good look at themselves and realized that they are far more than citizens of any nation.

So I won't mourn your death as a country. Instead, I'll look forward to what springs forth from the ashes. Godspeed.

Yes things do seem to point in that direction. However,......


The world cannot live without the spirit of America

The world will darken immeasurably if we allow our country to die

You are in control of your destiny as much as your neighbor

WE will not allow our country to die, so quit with the tired prophecies

Inspire yourself, your friends, your neighbors, your acquaintences and total strangers with your love for this country and your desire for our manifest destiny--

I deny this thread and its darkness of spirit

You and those like you that give up on your country, your friends, your family are what is killing this country,

Things seem grim, there is no doubt, were they less grim in 1941? The United States stood alone with Great Britain against the evils of the world. It was a terrible time and we very nearly lost. But the spirit of America does not falter against such travails, nor should it falter now.

Say this crap to a Marine and you'll be disgraced and lucky if you're not gutted

Take hope my friends, WE ARE AMERICA so long as one us carries hope for the future then we will never die, I don't give a %#@!* what TPTB have to say about it

Get out from behind your computer, your TV, your video games and freakin live a little

Flame me all you want, I can take it, just don't wet your panties while you do it, see, I care


PG

[edit on 19-6-2009 by pizzaguy]

Originally posted by SourGrapes
So, how do you think it'll end up? North American Union (Mexico, U.S., Canada), or a break up of the states?

I'm not completely on the NWO wagon. While I do believe in the concept, as in TPTB's perceived concept, or their plan.

I just don't see it ending the way they've planned. I guess I still have too much faith in my fellow citizens, but I don't see us ending up NWO. I see more of a division in states, and a break up of the United States.

Perhaps we'll have a general rule, much like Britain had over certain territories. Those territories still had their own general government, they just had Britain's protection.

This is how I see the U.S. ending up. Broken up into larger state territories, local government, and paid protection (taxes) to some United Security force (perhaps NWO or U.N. - who knows, probably China).

EXACTLY!! I have for some time felt the breakup of the US into several zones would be the way it will go down. Everyone thinks we'll survive "in tact", because they can't imagine otherwise. But, it would be much easier for the shadow government (NWO) to control several "regional states", than a large well armed country. Divide and concur is a time honored way for TPTB to enslave the sheeple.

Agreed and Flagged, I have felt for a while that something just wasn't right and that disaster is right around the corner. Great post, hopefully there will be enough of us to fight back when the tie comes.... and it will my friends.

Originally posted by pizzaguy

The world cannot live without the spirit of America

Are you sure about that?

And what's the deal with this American spirit you speak of? We all refer to it as:

THE AMERICAN DREAM!

you know why we call it that? Because you have to be asleep to believe it.



Patriotism doesn't have a spirit... Humanity does.

Trolling for stars and flags with senseless drivel. Have you no backbone? It matters somewhat to you else you wouldn't be whining about it.

Stand up and be counted! That is the spirit of America and dreams become reality more often than you would believe.

Perhaps it is your dream that America fails? What do you stand for. ATS stars and flags? What are you 13? Grow a pair

Originally posted by nethawk

Canadian here. .

Good Post...

But I do believe that Canada (our neighbor) will share the same fate as the USA, and possibly Mexico too.

And whatever rises from the ashes, I don't think me or you will be around to enjoy it.

first off, what is TPTB?
Secondly If my assumption is correct heres the problem. Were stuck.

A: immigrants allowed by "caring" politicians and wealthy citizens to enter US thereby influencing elections. Wait most of them were rigged, scratch that idea.

B: People with big gated communities are hiding away from the destruction in fantasyland of being rich, mocking, using, belittling and gangsterising the populace below intentionally. In order to protect their subtly stolen wealth.

C: Military and government reliance on fiat causes shortsightedness in policy making, and inhuman "just gotta do it" attitudes to things like habeus corpus or other freedom issues that have been stolen deliberately by an attacking force in the US, namely socialist underminers of the free market, attacks on Christian white males, mind control as ive experienced, last night in fact I could hear the insults clearly in the fan oscillations. Clever that method of sending an audio signal through a power line to oscillate off of electromagnetic flows and transduced by spin. Clever.

D: Oppressive jails and police forces robbing and fearing the populace into a nazified state using a slick method under the obvious guise of over defense. Meaning oppressive law and military for psychological effect.
I.E. Dehumanisation.

E: Pop culture hypnosis in movies, games, music, sports drinks. YOu name it, theyve done it to you making you think you did it.

F: Reduction of focus on culture, turning hippie stoners, or modern religion into the future socialist agenda state government of self deception through materialistic distractions. (why the rich are so locked in lifestyle bliss) Too bad they are actually on the negative scale of life despite their appealing quafuer.

G: Secrets and lies, usury, religious competitions and confusions are ruining this nation, the arguments are mute, and logic is empty of reason. Causing our divided state to slip into socialism. Allowing space for a deceptive dictator to become an earthly demi-god. Take power away i wonder how it will respond? Like a baby minus a bottle?

H: Truth is fiction. Reality is nature fully. Buildings and cities are a facade of another mans false sense of ego. The human pattern is tainted by greed and all that follows it..



[edit on 19-6-2009 by mastermind77]

Originally posted by pizzaguy
That is the spirit of America and dreams become reality more often than you would believe.

Perhaps it is your dream that America fails? What do you stand for.

It is 2009, and America is forever changed.

To stand for America in this day and age... Would be similar for a person to stand for Germany in 1939.

There is a god.Obama will lie.Nwo is already in plan.Obama pushin for 1 world currency and Government.In the bible it describes all of this to come true.Money will be meaningless Obama pushing for chip implanted "credit cards"in the back of your hand. And if you dont except this your a "outcast" to society.And the crazy thing is people will push for this on there own free will to eat and live.Its funny though how more crazyness will come and im not worried one bit cause i knew this was going to happen anyways....lol



P.S. just dont get the chip

Originally posted by mastermind77
first off, what is TPTB?

The Powers That Be.

There are many names for them, and there are many arguments about who they are... But most of us on ATS acknowledge their presence, and the fact that they exist,... so we've just agreed to call them TPTB.

(I like to say that their calling card is on the back of the $1 bill, but that's just me)

To stand for America in this day and age... Would be similar for a person to stand for Germany in 1939.




Now in that you are partially correct. I stand by what is really truly America not our outsourced bought and paid for federal employees. I will fight by the side of my friends, family , and community. That's how you battle these dirtbags.

Strange how that works when other countries do it to us. It also worked for the French in WWII. It worked in the 1700s as well. That is how countries rise and fall. Not from overwhelming might and dollars. But from people.....standing up and saying no more.


WE are America, not the federal government. Pessimism has no place in the trenches. Stand by your beliefs if you will, you will likely be one of the first to go, once they've used you up and spit you out.

I stopped caring about my ATS score about 5 minutes after I started caring about it.