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reply posted on 7-5-2004 @ 04:28 PM by Genya
Originally posted by TenPin But no one conquered the Romans. The ensuing struggles for power, and the influx of external tribes into the cohesion that once was Rome, went on for almost two millennia.


Hi TenPin!

Interesting, though perhaps you might also rely on other sources as well?

For example:

"There is no simple explanation for the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, but several interconnected elements provide some answers. The demands of the military and the growing bureaucracy forced the government to seek more income. When the elite avoided taxes, the burden fell on the peasantry, who had barely enough to feed themselves and no surplus to pay taxes. When farmers fled the land, incomes declined still further and manpower shortages forced the military to hire German mercenaries. This cycle led to a weak, impoverished central government that quietly collapsed in 476."

This from here

There have *always* been "end times". For a good source on these, please have a look here

This cites examples from 1500BCE

"Many historians trace the apocalyptic world view back to the Persian prophet Zoroaster, who spoke of a cosmic battle between good and evil ending in a new, perfect world for humanity. The Zoroastrian tradition survives today in Iran and as the basis of Parsiism in India."

through to 1999CE

"As the end of the millennium draws near, the impending "Y2K" computer crisis receives more and more attention. Y2K hits two classic apocalyptic nerves--fear of technology and global interconnectedness--while also possessing the classic feature of a hard and fast date, which fosters increasing panic as "the End" approaches."

Just my £0.02...


reply posted on 7-5-2004 @ 05:11 PM by TenPin
Originally posted by Genya
There have *always* been "end times".


I base my only view on end times solely on what the bible says is going to happen. Bible prophecy is 100% accurate because it is inspired by God.

The bible is very clear on some things that have happened in the last 100 years such as the re-establishment of Israel as a nation. This event and many others including the rise of a European Empire indicate that we are indeed entering the end times scenario that the Bible details.

The most iminent one that I can see is the horsemen of the apocalypse (no seriously !).

Revelation 6:1-7

I looked on when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a thunderous voice, “Come!” So I looked, and here came a white horse! The one who rode it had a bow, and he was given a crown, and as a conqueror he rode out to conquer.

Then when the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come!” And another horse, fiery red, came out, and the one who rode it was granted permission to take peace from the earth, so that people would butcher one another, and he was given a huge sword.

Then when the Lamb opened the third seal I heard the third living creature saying, “Come!” So I looked, and here came a black horse! The one who rode it had a balance scale in his hand. Then I heard something like a voice from among the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat will cost a day’s pay and three quarts of barley will cost a day’s pay. But do not damage the olive oil and the wine!”

Then when the Lamb opened the fourth seal I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come!” So I looked and here came a pale green horse! The name of the one who rode it was Death, and Hades followed right behind. They were given authority over a fourth of the earth, to kill its population with the sword, famine, and disease, and by the wild animals of the earth.


The White Horse is the anti-christ so by this point the Christian Church will have been taken from the earth to heaven. The bible makes it clear that those who accept Jesus and turn from sin are not appointed to wrath. If one day you see the news talking about a billion odd people missing from the earth you'll know what has happened At the moment most of the visible Christian church is fairly disorganised but it is rapidly becoming organised and rapidly expanding. Expect to see increasing persecution of Christians that hold firmly to what the bible says. In China Christianity is illegal. You are put in prison and your family members are not allowed to work unless you renounce your faith. They used to execute people for being Christian but that failed because it made more Christians that it got rid of. Estimates put the number of Christians in China at about 130 million.

Ok so the earth has never really had peace so the Red Horse would seem to indicate an escalation of wars. I would suggest that with escalations in the middle east things are not going to get any more peaceful.

The Black Horse indicates massive monetary inflationa and a corresponding food shortage. I see this as extremely likely in the next 10 years if the oil peak takes its toll. This would also induce substantial wars over the oil in the middle east, in particular between China and the USA.

The Pale Horse indicates widespread disease and death. Even now the medical profession is predicting that emerging new diseases like SARS are likely to become more widespread and they simply do not have a cure.

Ultimately this is all in God's timing and he will have his church established and removed before the earth is judged.

White Horse
Red Horse
Black Horse
Pale Horse
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