Where are you President Obama?, page 1
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Topic started on 18-6-2009 @ 09:54 PM by Walkswithfish
I am a simple man, an American, trying to work, earn a living and stay away from trouble... So I have no illusion that the president would ever hear from me, or even consider what I have to say. So I'll post it here.

In Iran right now, there is a movement for real democracy and real change and Mr. President you have remained virtually silent.

The youth of Iran and many of the people of Iran from all walks of life have been out protesting an obviously fraudulent election, they through their protests are begging for real democracy... I expected the leader of our country... that would be YOU Obama... To take the opportunity to speak to the Iranian people, to tell them that we are with you, that we support you, even if that support is only moral in nature. What they (The Iranians) are protesting, indeed fighting for is exactly what our own nation is all about, rising above tyranny, through revolution we were born again, a truly free and democratic nation.

Perhaps you have pinned your hopes on an Ahmadinejad victory and your plans for diplomatic efforts with him in the future and feel you cannot openly criticize them now.

But you can speak to the Iranian people... You should, and you haven't which beyond everything else is more than disappointing.

These are people who are being beaten down by a tyrannical regime with a false promise of democracy, a people seeking freedom and liberty within a democracy, a people who need to hear from the "leader of the free world" YOU Mr. President.

Are you afraid to speak to the people of Iran through the international press and media?

Where are you Mr. President?



[edit on 18-6-2009 by Walkswithfish]


reply posted on 19-6-2009 @ 12:38 PM by Walkswithfish
The Europeans are speaking out more on Iran than our president is.

EU leaders step up Iran election criticism


www.reuters.com...

BRUSSELS, June 19 (Reuters) - European Union leaders condemned Iran's handling of protests against its disputed election on Friday, urging Tehran to refrain from violence and to launch an investigation into the staging of the poll.

Iranian state media have reported seven or eight people killed in protests since results published on June 13 showed a landslide victory for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Scores of reformists have been arrested and authorities have cracked down on media.

"The European Union is observing the response to the protests across Iran with serious concern," the EU leaders said in a joint statement after a summit in Brussels.

"It firmly condemns the use of violence against protesters resulting in loss of lives...the authorities should refrain from the use of force against demonstrators."


And from CNN, a news source that is usually highly supportive of President Obama.

Commentary: Obama must speak out on Iran


www.cnn.com...

SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- With Iran suffering a political earthquake, allow me to put in a good word for meddling.

I realize there will always be those Americans who recoil at the idea of U.S. military intervention or economic sanctions -- or, for that matter, even just tersely worded statements from the White House -- because, they insist, the United States should not interfere with the domestic affairs of other countries.

Since when? The United States has, for decades, interfered with the destinies of other nations - in Asia, Africa, Latin America and elsewhere.

In fact, just recently, President Obama took to interfering in the Middle East by scolding Israel for its treatment of Palestinians and its settlements in the West Bank.

Yet now, in a real disappointment to anyone who values freedom, Obama has declared his reluctance to "meddle" in the aftermath of the disputed Iranian presidential election even as hundreds of thousands of protesters put themselves at risk on the streets of Tehran.


I have read and heard theories and allegations that the reason that Obama seems unwilling to get involved or to speak to the Iranian people is because he already expected Ahmadinejad to win, and because of his "secret Muslim past" will not get involved, and that in the future he will be pro Arab/Muslim on all Middle Eastern issues.... I thought this was too ridiculous to believe, but I am not so sure anymore.

Actions, or in this case the lack there of are very telling.



[edit on 19-6-2009 by Walkswithfish]


reply posted on 19-6-2009 @ 01:36 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
It really isn’t President Obama’s duty morally, spiritually or physically to imagine he understands the complexities of Iranian politics or the Iranian psyche.

Iran is a vastly different culture and world that predates our bastardized nation and lifestyle by millennium.

Politics is a dirty and deceitful business and always has been and always will be. It’s about power, it’s about bending people towards the individual will and a collective perspective that fits that individual will.

Just because one political party takes to the streets in mass to protest an election’s result and the mass of that people seems overwhelming because they are a mass and massed that in and of itself does not represent a scientific mathematical accounting of the people and there true will.

Ever gone to an Opera or Ballet and hated every moment of it except for the presence of the person who invited you that you want to ingratiate yourself too. You are certainly in the audience but hardly a fan of the Opera or Ballet as much as you are a fan of being there because it serves some other interest or purpose of your own.

Massive demonstrations coincided with the war in Vietnam here in the United States but they in and of themselves no matter how large could accurately reflect the true or entire will of the people.

Just some of the people, that some of the people likewise who weren’t there sought to exploit for their own political purposes.

That’s politics and it’s foolish for us to take sides between nations or within nations. Our forefathers saw that for the trap it is, and as I struggle to come to terms on what might be best for America today, as an American citizen, born and raised here from day one and am not always entirely sure from day to day what would be our own troubled nation’s best course…all I can honestly say is it’s truly a foolish mission to imagine what might be best for a nation, a people, a culture, and a religion that I have never been so exposed to and to pretend I know better and what’s best.

The rest of the world’s problems will sort themselves out in good time and President Obama has been doing a dismal and abysmal job at sorting out our own nation’s problems economically and domestically and even left wing radical stalwarts like Bill Maher are decrying him for that.

Where is President Obama, hopefully coming to terms with why he wanted to be President of the United States and how he is actually going to accomplish some change here domestically that benefits the struggling people of our own troubled nation.

I can only assume and hope that, but Iran is the Iranian’s affair and best left to them to figure out and sort out all in due course which they have proved time and time again, including kicking out an American puppet regime and taking an American Embassy and all it’s employees hostage for an entire year they are more than capable of sorting out their own problems and desires.

The question is are we capable of sorting out our own problems and desires?


reply posted on 19-6-2009 @ 01:54 PM by Walkswithfish
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler



Excellent post!

I do believe it is in our interest to support (even if only moral support) those who are seeking a fair democracy no matter where it is. It should be a standard in US foreign policy.

Obama would not be meddling in Iranian affairs by showing support of the Iranian people.

If this is any indication of our future foreign policy in the middle east then it represents a huge shift, and I believe will only raise the risks for our contractors and military personnel in the region.

It is a sign of weakness when the president and leader of the free world fails to recognize and publicly support a surge of people who rise up against tyranny and demand those most basic principles of a free and fair democracy in a fraudulent election. The leaders of Europe are not afraid to speak out on this, see the news report above in the thread.

There are people within Iran who are saying they would rather die than to live under the current tyrannical leadership.

I do agree we need to focus on domestic issues and the economy, but we must also address foreign policy issues as well, and to leave this opportunity to support and defend a fair democratic process is a mistake. In my opinion of course.

Thank you for your post.


reply posted on 19-6-2009 @ 02:56 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Walkswithfish





I do believe it is in our interest to support (even if only moral support) those who are seeking a fair democracy no matter where it is. It should be a standard in US foreign policy.


It should be a standard of U.S. Domestic Policy but it is not.

What were the good President's precise words to millions upon millions of democratically and constitutionally minded Americans who took to the streets in the 'Tea Parties' a couple months back?

"Let's not play games" was our President's response for Americans who take to the streets to peacefully have their voices heard.

Ask yourself this, how can President Obama in good faith praise a process abroad that he decries here?

The reality is President Obama can not afford to encourage Iranians to do what they clearly need no encouragement from American politicians to do anyway as they are doing it entirely independent of any culture other than their own and it's vein and arrogant to imagine people around the world can not make such distinctions on their own.

President Obama can not afford to encourage this process abroad as he can not afford to encourage this type of behavior here, and in fact does not and accused tens of millions of Americans fed up with high taxes, bailouts for banks and corporations and a lack of jobs as "Playing games" when they took to the street.

Your United States of America might be in an alternative universe because the President Obama I know shuns the political process and debates and autocratically dictates by saying "We don't have time for debate now".

I think we would be better off with the President some Iranians are rejecting as opposed to our own. They sure appear to be birds of a feather anyway in more ways than one, with Iran possibly being more tolertant and willing to hear it's citizens voices than the American President and it's government is.


reply posted on 19-6-2009 @ 03:20 PM by downtown436
reply to post by Walkswithfish



"What they (The Iranians) are protesting, indeed fighting for is exactly what our own nation is all about, rising above tyranny, through revolution we were born again, a truly free and democratic nation."


We live in a Republic. Our Revolution birthed a REPUBLIC!! NOT DEMOCRACY!!!! RULE BY LAW IS WHAT OUR NATION IS!!

www.wimp.com...


reply posted on 19-6-2009 @ 05:04 PM by Stormdancer777
Father of the Iranian revolution

www.jpost.com.../JPArticle/ShowFull

The truth is the entire nightmare can be traced back to the liberal democratic policies of the leftist Jimmy Carter, who created a firestorm that destabilized our greatest ally in the Muslim world, the shah of Iran, in favor of a religious fanatic, the ayatollah Khomeini.

Carter viewed Khomeini as more of a religious holy man in a grassroots revolution than a founding father of modern terrorism. Carter's ambassador to the UN, Andrew Young, said "Khomeini will eventually be hailed as a saint." Carter's Iranian ambassador, William Sullivan, said, "Khomeini is a Gandhi-like figure." Carter adviser James Bill proclaimed in a Newsweek interview on February 12, 1979 that Khomeini was not a mad mujahid, but a man of "impeccable integrity and honesty."

Let's look at the results of Carter's misguided liberal policies: the Islamic Revolution in Iran; the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (Carter's response was to boycott the 1980 Moscow Olympics); the birth of Osama bin Laden's terrorist organization; the Iran-Iraq War, which cost the lives of millions dead and wounded; and yes, the present war on terrorism and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.


In February 1979 Khomeini had boarded an Air France flight to return to Teheran with the blessing of Jimmy Carter. The moment he arrived, he proclaimed: "I will kick his teeth in" - referring to then prime minister Shapour Bakhtiar, who was left in power with a US pledge of support. He was assassinated in Paris by Iranian agents in 1991.



reply posted on 19-6-2009 @ 05:07 PM by Stormdancer777
reply to post by AllexxisF1






They are now complaining that he is not actively engaging in another countries problems and politics.


Ask Carter?
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