Has America lost its status as a first-world country?, page 1
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reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 05:26 PM by octotom
reply to post by Donnie Darko



No. If America was a second world country, things would be like they are in Hungary, for example. I lived in Hungary for a year and, trust me, Hungarians have it worse off than Americans do.

[We are way better off than Vietnam, which is a second world country as well.]

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**Blue = First World, Red = Second World, Green = Third World.



reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 05:30 PM by octotom
reply to post by dominika



First World Countries are those that were allies during the First World War. They also happen to be the one's that are the most industrialized and has the largest incomes.


reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 05:38 PM by chapter29
reply to post by dominika






What exactly make a first world country though?



The terminology being used is incorrect...


Core Nations


Weak reference, but it will do...I have several poli sci books that give a better definition, but I can't PDF them and post them...so, there.


Then you Semi-Periphery and Periphery countries...these are what is being referencedin terms of nations that are in deep poo poo...





reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 05:39 PM by octotom
reply to post by whoshotJR



In Glenn Beck's An Inconvenient Book, he mentions something along the lines of this. He even has a graph of a ladder with stick figures climbing up it, representing a worker in a country and how much they make, compared to the average "poor" American. Just a sampling is:

Average American: $43,000
American Povery Line: $9,979
Average Brazilian: $8,600
Average Macedonian: $8,200
Average Jamacian: $4,600


In this same chapter he gives the following statistic that I think is interesting.

The average dwelling of the American poor person has more square footage than the average overall residence in every European nation except Luxembourg.


Not to mention that every person in America has a cell phone, flat screen TV, car, etc.


reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 05:42 PM by LiquidMirage
reply to post by Donnie Darko




We became a third world country when the ignorant uneducated masses elected a third world tin pot dictator as president. 3.5 years to go...


reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 05:56 PM by wyleecoyote
reply to post by octotom


Average American: $43,000 Average Brazilian: $8,600

Everyone likes to throw out those statistics but you aren't taking into account the fact that it costs a whole lot less to live in Brazil than it does in America. I was there last year and there are some very nice condos and homes you can pick up on the beach and in very nice areas for 30,000 or 40,000 dollars. They also have paid healthcare, lower food costs and very low fuel and energy prices unlike America.


reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 05:59 PM by Dermo
Originally posted by wyleecoyote
reply to
post by octotom


Average American: $43,000 Average Brazilian: $8,600

Everyone likes to throw out those statistics but you aren't taking into account the fact that it costs a whole lot less to live in Brazil than it does in America


Don't forget about the billionaires.. that brings it to around 35k


reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 06:04 PM by octotom
reply to post by Dermo



I live in Europe. I know that things are "smaller" here. But, I've seen large buildings here too. In fact, the apartment that I live in now is larger than my apartment was back home in Florida.

The older city streets have been there for hundreds and hundreds of years and are very narrow which in turn lead to small dwellings.

But not everyone in Europe lives in these city centers. Naturally, in the older days, people lived in the city walls and had to cram everything together.

I think that the point that Beck was trying to get at though was that the American poor don't have it as bad off as everyone thinks.



reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 06:09 PM by octotom
reply to post by wyleecoyote



Everyone likes to throw out those statistics but you aren't taking into account the fact that it costs a whole lot less to live in Brazil than it does in America.

Tell that to the people that are just getting by. It's less to live there to us because of our currency and our standards. To the average Brazilian, it's not so easy. Here on German TV, there is a TV show where the show the stories of people immigrating. Once, a family moved to Venezula because, "oh it's so much cheapter to live there!" One month after moving there, they became homeless.


reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 06:14 PM by wyleecoyote
reply to post by Dermo



True thanks, and I also forgot they aren't forced to pay auto insurance so those rates are much lower also -should they wish to pay for it.

And yes, homes are smaller but who really needs a huge house? 2 and 3 bedrooms are pretty much the norm anywhere I go, except in America where it's 3 and 4 bedrooms with living room and family room needed.


reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 06:21 PM by Dermo
reply to post by octotom



How did I miss the 'Deutchland'?
Thought you were just bragging

reply to post by whoshotJR

Holey Moley.. I never saw any of that when I was in the US..

Then again, every city has horrendous poverty in various areas (well, apart from sweden and such), its slightly easier to handle it in Europe because of the social welfare policies in most states.

Its still shocking to see it though, anyone born into those areas have no chance in life.



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