Have Bush/Cheney ever done anything that is actually illegal? Nope!

President Bush and Vice-President Cheney did nothing criminal beyond possibly some obscure law here or there which they might have broken during their terms in Office. For that matter, everyday which we live and breathe on this Earth, and within this Nation, we in fact break a law or two. There are so many laws, and such little knowledge of them all (To be quite frank).

However, I know what the OP is intending through this thread, and in regards to this particular subject matter I will simply say that President Bush and Vice-President Cheney did what they truly felt was necessary in securing this Nation, and in strengthening it. The only reason that they have received such a bashing, lies within the vast and quickening expanse of the Internet that took place during their Administration, which in turn allowed for all types of dissent against them to not only be expressed, but to also be promoted and spread all over the world. Can you imagine what would have happened to President Clinton if the Internet was in its current form during his entire Presidency? This nation would have become somewhat of a mad house eight years prior to when it did, and I dare say that Clinton's Impeachment would have also actually been carried out in the fullest manner possible.

At the worst, President Bush and Vice-President Cheney were nowhere near as outlaw in nature as President Clinton and his Administration, but generally they have acted well within the power granted to them. People simply wish to label them as "Law Breakers" because they disagree with their politics, which is basically a cop out way of stating that they cannot argue a political point against them.

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Thanks for your understanding and support. It just amazes me that if you post what the majority want to hear they will star and flag you to death, even though there is not a bit of proof behind the OP.

Like this thread Cheney tied to theft and possible murder

It gets tons of stars and flags only because it bashes Cheney. Yet their isnt a shred of proof that it is anything more than some guys fantasy.

Also, the hypocrisy of it is crazy. These same people will bash the Alien/Indigo people for not giving proof, but then come on here and not give a shred of proof to back up their elaborate claims. Not that i am saying I believe someone just because they say they are an alient or what not.

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These two creeps left a broken country in their wake and if you deny that too you will proven beyond anyone's doubt that you have been living on a different planet or in complete denial of reality.

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How did they leave a broken country in their wake? If you are talking about the economy, there is only so much a President can do to help stimulate the economy. Did Bush create derivatives or cause a global depression single handidly?

No Bush didn't but he was a part of the political machine that created and passed legislation that enabled them. It was Phill Graham who was ousted from the position of campaign manager for McCain that pushed for them. It was Grahams political contrbutors that became the Pioneers and Rangers, that Bush referred to as his base as he joked about the non existing WMDs.....If you can't see this last admiistration as being the most corrupt, destructive and irresponsible in the last 60 years or more you are choosing to not see it..... The people of this country has never in my lifetime been more poorly represented and I am an old man that has seen a lot.

The Bush Administration sent 5000 plus American citizenry to their deaths based on lies. Those lies also resulted in thousands of innocent Iraqi lives lost as well. If you cannot see that as a crime against humanity, then you are disgustingly blinded by your partisan bias.

Sadly, these Americans who claim to be the true patriots couldn't give a rats behind about the lives that have been lost since the war began. They are devoid of a conscious, and they truly sicken me.

The previous administration should be tried in the Hague for war crimes.

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Let's see, from 1898 until present, this has been punished as a crime, yet you still feel the jury is out? Weird!





His name is Brandon Mayfield. His constitutional rights, specifically the fourth amendment, were violated by the USA PATRIOT Act. He was cleared of any wrongdoing and received an apology and $2 million from the US government for their CRIMES committed against him. He is not the only one, there are others.







Use the links here to get a better understanding of this. Basically, everyone else around the world agrees, including most American citizens, the minimal authorization granted them was clearly violated and determined a war of aggression. This was realized by all of them, which sent them scurrying to amend the original docs. and cover their azz. This was easily noticed around the world by everyone other than people like you, Seth?





How about 935 of them? Maybe you should face the facts, don't you think? I think I'll stop now. The rest of what I said is also true, but I think you have had enough? Now why don't you pull your pants up and run along home? You are too easy!

If Torture was sooo bad and "NEVER WORKS" then I wonder why over the last 4000 years, humans keep using torture...

Mabey because it does work?

You people need to rethink your arguments, Stick to Torture is INHUMANE, trying to lie and say it brings in false info makes you all look like idiots.

No need to make up excuses as to why you hate something, stick to the facts please.

I advise everyone to do some research on the downing street memo, Proof that the bush administration lied to get us into a war with Iraq. a recent Senate investigation final report shows how the administration manipulated information to overstate the WMD threat and conjure up a connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Quaida that did not exist.



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It doesn't matter if it works, it's barbaric, inhuman, and unreliable. All forms of torture are also illegal by international law and furthermore torture during armed conflicts is a war crime by those same laws.

The United States does not torture people. We're better than that...or at least I used to think as much.

OP - Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but instead of demanding people bring you proof or evidence you could just browse the site, there are dozens upon dozens of threads supporting both sides of this argument. Of course, I think we all know your mind is already made up anyhow.

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He had other commit the crimes - and that, in itself, is a crime. If I hire a hit man to kill or maim someone, I'm also guilty.

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Well who exactly did he hire to kill others for him?

You know if people found the evidence of their possibly illegal doing and went to try the the whacked out far right will just say its the left attacking the past administration. So to keep the war-driven right from being pissed off they'd probably let the guilty go. There is absolutely no way to please he right so we have to let criminals and madmen go free.

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That is preposterous. Nobody throws more of a hissy fit than the left everytime they dont get there way about something. When GW was President the left had a never ending temper tantrum for 8 freaking years.

So if you thought he was guilty and could make a case for it, you wouldnt pursue it because the left is afraid of any sort of conflict with the right and all the left can do is whine and roll around on the floor in a fit of rage?

More out of respect i would think. I would say that the right is usual far too irrational that if the current admin. found evidence like waterboarding they would not say anything because immediately the right would say that it was an attack against their innocent savior. Have Bush/Cheney ever done anything that is actually illegal? Nope.
This isnt a question for opinion, if you've already answered your own question. You I'm sure already have your verdict and that nobody could probably change that. If they did something illegal and the evidence is there than as an american who believes in the laws set by his countrymen we would have no choice but to prosecute them and anyone else involved. A crime is a crime no matter who committed it. I still think that cheney shooting a friend in the face should have required some form of law. If i shot someone in the face i don't expect the 5-0 to just let me go shake my hand [SNIP].

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Well if someone is going to prosecute them then somebody should come up with some actual proof that either of them broke the law.

Obviously, he shot his FRIEND in the face on accident. He didnt kill him or even hurt him that bad, so why should he be arrested for a minor accident?

Well i dont know about you but getting shot with a bb gun hurts like crap. Birdshot to the face at close range probably tickled. If there was evidence against them i doubt that it would be made public mostly due to that if they did anything it would make the country look bad and depending on the severity of the crimes it could cause a retaliation against a hypocritical america. Im not saying that they necessarily did anything illegal but if they did it would never see the face of day. Too many problems it would cause. Now enhanced interrogations are immoral and if there weren't loopholes making them legal i would be bold enough to say that that is a guilty crime. From a christian standpoint torture is wrong no matter how you pretty it up. You can put makeup on a pig but its still a pig.

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Did you ever read the old testament in the Bible.

They used to do all kind of heinous stuff to people and it was all condoned by God as long as you were on his side.

yeah well morally do you really feel ok about that statement. There werent other ways of doing it. Look if you think torture is ok than thats your opinion. I personally think that it is not. I would forever turn my back on someone who acted in torturing someone or signing the orders to do so. Torture is torture and if America is supposed to be the good example to the world than i feel that the waterboarding and such have smeared the image of this country. Its a red stain on a white carpet. It sticks out badly.

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I never said it was right or wrong. You brought up that a Christian could not be pro-torture. I just pointed out that their God is pro-annihilation of the enemy with almost no limits whatsoever. So do they know more than their God about what is moral?