it has gone too far. even if i speak my feelings and philosophy with the one i love, she can miss-translate what i said and go telling others. the
government does not love us. forget about the finances and such to run and operate a web site, it is no concern. i am feeling the hand as it shadows
over us all. if we all meet as a group at a farm, in, let's say upper new york, and all get together and communicate our thought and such, who is
in that group that will not go run and "tell". they do not want us to know anything at all, but i say to you that they can not stop us.
this is all not really touching on the original post, but it has sparked something in me that says that, who are you to tell me what to say or do.
The Government's Plan To Kill Independent Web Sites, page 4
reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 10:53 PM by blind.face
reply to post by mister.old.school
Very well written and detailed, yet easy to follow. I am going to re-read before posting further but thank you for the time you put into this. S&F
Very well written and detailed, yet easy to follow. I am going to re-read before posting further but thank you for the time you put into this. S&F
reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 10:53 PM by golemina
reply to post by mister.old.school
You're kidding right?
Dude... Suddenly this thread potentially takes on an entirely different tone.
[edit on 17-6-2009 by golemina]
Do you have concrete information to the contrary?
You're kidding right?
Dude... Suddenly this thread potentially takes on an entirely different tone.
[edit on 17-6-2009 by golemina]
reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:02 PM by golemina
reply to post by mister.old.school
A little defensive there big guy...
No offense, but you're not very technical are you?
[edit on 17-6-2009 by golemina]
Absolutely not. I'm always exceptionally serious about uncovering the truth.
I've done the research to support my statements. What have you done to support yours?
A little defensive there big guy...
No offense, but you're not very technical are you?
[edit on 17-6-2009 by golemina]
reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:09 PM by allclear
reply to post by mister.old.school
More research? Pollution? I suggest you read the facts that are available instead of "winging" it. The facts are as they are. Shareholders represent NOTHING to the owners of these companies accept as a source of funding or collateral. Those that hold preferred shares or bondholders are the ones that profit most from public companies. Holders of common shares are at the bottom of the totem pole...just ask the AIG, Bear Stearns, Lehman and GM shareholders.
Its obvious you want to avoid discussing certain things because it makes you uncomfortable, for whatever reason. But the facts are what they are, and you offer nothing but gibberish in response.
Big business is moving quickly towards the monopolistic stage. There is no anti-trust...when was the last time you saw a hearing on this?? Competition will eliminate many of your choices because you think its gibberish to point out the obvious. This attitude of complacency and ignorance will leave you and us with very few choices. You will have a handful of companies that have control over most commodities and desirables. Like it is now with the media and those offering internet service. It will be regulated by those that write the rules....the lobbyists hired by the companies.
How many choices do you have for cable? two, maybe three if you're lucky.
In many areas like mine, you have one choice unless you want a satellite dish and then you have two choices.
The blind leading the blind
Meaning
Uninformed and incompetent people leading others who are similarly incapable.
Origin
This appears in the Bible, Matthew 15:14 (King James Version):
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
More research? Pollution? I suggest you read the facts that are available instead of "winging" it. The facts are as they are. Shareholders represent NOTHING to the owners of these companies accept as a source of funding or collateral. Those that hold preferred shares or bondholders are the ones that profit most from public companies. Holders of common shares are at the bottom of the totem pole...just ask the AIG, Bear Stearns, Lehman and GM shareholders.
Its obvious you want to avoid discussing certain things because it makes you uncomfortable, for whatever reason. But the facts are what they are, and you offer nothing but gibberish in response.
Big business is moving quickly towards the monopolistic stage. There is no anti-trust...when was the last time you saw a hearing on this?? Competition will eliminate many of your choices because you think its gibberish to point out the obvious. This attitude of complacency and ignorance will leave you and us with very few choices. You will have a handful of companies that have control over most commodities and desirables. Like it is now with the media and those offering internet service. It will be regulated by those that write the rules....the lobbyists hired by the companies.
How many choices do you have for cable? two, maybe three if you're lucky.
In many areas like mine, you have one choice unless you want a satellite dish and then you have two choices.
The blind leading the blind
Meaning
Uninformed and incompetent people leading others who are similarly incapable.
Origin
This appears in the Bible, Matthew 15:14 (King James Version):
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 11:49 PM by SonicInfinity
reply to post by golemina
No offense, but why don't you answer the man's question and put up or shut up? Stop trying to draw this out into a "no u, no u, no U" argument. This isn't some site where you can say stuff like "You don't believe him, do you? This nutter's off his chair.
" and get
away with it.
Provide your proof to the contrary if you have any. If you don't, kindly either further comment on other points or leave the topic.
[edit on 6/17/2009 by SonicInfinity]
No offense, but why don't you answer the man's question and put up or shut up? Stop trying to draw this out into a "no u, no u, no U" argument. This isn't some site where you can say stuff like "You don't believe him, do you? This nutter's off his chair.
" and get
away with it. Provide your proof to the contrary if you have any. If you don't, kindly either further comment on other points or leave the topic.
[edit on 6/17/2009 by SonicInfinity]
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 01:14 AM by Quazze
Old School:
I'd like to personally thank you for bringing this to my (our) attention. As of late, my memory has not been keen to recovery, but I would like to point out a few things:
Back in February 2004, (D-WV) Senator Jay D Rockefeller IV tried to impose his Internet Tax Ban Extension and Improvement Act, with assistance from (R-TN) Andrew Lamar Alexander and (D-DEL) Thomas Richard Carper.
While this was Senator Rockefeller's first quasi-attempt toward blocking major telecommunication companies from imposing excessive taxes (he "felt" dial-up and DSL users shouldn't pay the same taxes because of their different format/speed/cost), back in March of this year, Senator Rockefeller stated that the Internet was the "Number One National Hazard."
I'm not one to quickly toss out NWO statements or say the Rockefeller's, Rothschild's or Morgan's of the world empower us (they do influence politics on a grand scheme unfathomable to astutely accept), but one has to question alternative motives behind such tangible declarations.
In conclusion, there are a pair of individuals that responded who clearly have a different approach (i.e., to excite and wild up the OP, create divergence and/or conflict, pretend that if such law(s) came into existence that "everything will be cool, don't worry about it", etc). I appreciate and respect their opinion, but what I don't appreciate is their lack of understanding and comprehension of this futuristic action. I'd only assume that they haven't read the book 1984 nor have they seen habeas corpus being flushed away (I wonder if they even know how the Patriot Act was passed). I am sure they all work for the same Big Brother who has pounded on us little brothers for years.
No one needs to track and trace my footprints on the Internet. But then again, aren't they doing it already?
S&F for you sir! Please keep up the excellent work that you so kindly share to this clandestine community.
Sincerely,
Quazze Dreylock
Sources:
rockefeller.senate.gov...
www.infowars.com...
www.youtube.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
I'd like to personally thank you for bringing this to my (our) attention. As of late, my memory has not been keen to recovery, but I would like to point out a few things:
Back in February 2004, (D-WV) Senator Jay D Rockefeller IV tried to impose his Internet Tax Ban Extension and Improvement Act, with assistance from (R-TN) Andrew Lamar Alexander and (D-DEL) Thomas Richard Carper.
While this was Senator Rockefeller's first quasi-attempt toward blocking major telecommunication companies from imposing excessive taxes (he "felt" dial-up and DSL users shouldn't pay the same taxes because of their different format/speed/cost), back in March of this year, Senator Rockefeller stated that the Internet was the "Number One National Hazard."
I'm not one to quickly toss out NWO statements or say the Rockefeller's, Rothschild's or Morgan's of the world empower us (they do influence politics on a grand scheme unfathomable to astutely accept), but one has to question alternative motives behind such tangible declarations.
In conclusion, there are a pair of individuals that responded who clearly have a different approach (i.e., to excite and wild up the OP, create divergence and/or conflict, pretend that if such law(s) came into existence that "everything will be cool, don't worry about it", etc). I appreciate and respect their opinion, but what I don't appreciate is their lack of understanding and comprehension of this futuristic action. I'd only assume that they haven't read the book 1984 nor have they seen habeas corpus being flushed away (I wonder if they even know how the Patriot Act was passed). I am sure they all work for the same Big Brother who has pounded on us little brothers for years.
No one needs to track and trace my footprints on the Internet. But then again, aren't they doing it already?
S&F for you sir! Please keep up the excellent work that you so kindly share to this clandestine community.
Sincerely,
Quazze Dreylock
Sources:
rockefeller.senate.gov...
www.infowars.com...
www.youtube.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 06:24 AM by Argyll
If anyone wants to know exactly how this scheme works look here
www.cl.cam.ac.uk...
Just in case anyone thinks that the information gathered is anonymous.......it isn't!!
The above linked report is by a guy called Richard Clayton, you can read more about him here.
www.cl.cam.ac.uk...
To summarise, these schemes are not as innocent as some would have us believe.
www.cl.cam.ac.uk...
Just in case anyone thinks that the information gathered is anonymous.......it isn't!!
50. The words are then ranked by frequency, and words that only occur once are discarded. Finally the top 10 in the frequency list (assuming that there are 10) will be retained as a representation of what the web page was all about. 51. All of this work is done by a machine based at the ISP called a \Pro ler". This machine of necessity sees all of the web sessions, and it is aware of the IP address of the user whose session is being analysed. It also picks out the UID which uniquely identi es the user from the cookie that accompanied the web page request.
The above linked report is by a guy called Richard Clayton, you can read more about him here.
www.cl.cam.ac.uk...
To summarise, these schemes are not as innocent as some would have us believe.
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 06:25 AM by ofhumandescent
reply to post by mister.old.school
"They" are not just "the governement".
Behind our "government" the real running of our country is Corporate America.
Like little kingdoms in the middle ages, each with it's own "king" are the large corporations run by the elite handfew.
Tens of millions of American's out of jobs because "it's cheaper" to hire and fire people outside of our country. Even if those people are your taxpayers. Ingenius really the people pay their governments salary, and inshort, are being screwed and paying for the privledge of being screwed by a government owned and operated by the heads of corporations.
Tens of millions of American's with no health insurance.
Tens of millions of American's with no home and no prospect of ever being able to buy a home.
Tens of millions of American's with no jobs simply because the large corporations have packed up and taken their head count to third world countries where the people still live in grass huts, have no plumbing and work for 1.35 an hour.
Pretty soon there will be two classes, the very rich living in mansions and the rest of us all living in grass huts or cardboard shanties.
People playing hatchet man to their fellow human beings in order to justify and maintain their own survival in a world gone mad only to eventually find themselves at the chopping block too (managers).
The internet, particularly sites like ATS have become the basis for information as more and more compliant little sheep awaken and "they" are scared.
Scared that if enough of us awaken we might gather the strength in numbers and courage to take back the keys to our prison and demand an end to our servitude.
If the vast majority of people do not wake up and gather some bravery we are indeed headed for a all out prison planet.
He who controls the information controls the masses.
Read my location. I did not choose this lightly and have had it on almost from day one that I jointed ATS.
Read my signature.
If you allow ANY kind of wongness to befall another in the name of your own survival you too will perish.
UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE WILL FALL and we are falling and fast.
I will repeat myself because every single person out there reading this needs to know who our real enemy is.
"They" are the large corporations and the "humans" running them that control the US Government.
Our government has not been for the people or by the people for a very long time time.
Our government is for the large corporations and run by the large corporations with the people serving them.
All of our large media are owned and operated by the large corporations which in turn are run by an elite handful of the richest men/women on the planet.
Control the media of information and truly you control the people's mind.
One last thought.
We are all inner connected. Don't think for a moment that in order to survive you have to screw over anyone else because any screwing over anyone in the name of survival is ludicris. Eventually you too will find yourself being screwed.
Managers that smile sweetly and say "Well Fred / Wilma, I'm sorry but I have to give you a pink slip and escort you and your little box of possessions out" eventually find themselves being escorted out the door.
The only loyality we all should have is to each other and not the CORPORATIONS we work for.
We are all inner connected. What you do unto another you do unto yourself but most people can't see that far down the road.
[edit on 18-6-2009 by ofhumandescent]
"They" are not just "the governement".
Behind our "government" the real running of our country is Corporate America.
Like little kingdoms in the middle ages, each with it's own "king" are the large corporations run by the elite handfew.
Tens of millions of American's out of jobs because "it's cheaper" to hire and fire people outside of our country. Even if those people are your taxpayers. Ingenius really the people pay their governments salary, and inshort, are being screwed and paying for the privledge of being screwed by a government owned and operated by the heads of corporations.
Tens of millions of American's with no health insurance.
Tens of millions of American's with no home and no prospect of ever being able to buy a home.
Tens of millions of American's with no jobs simply because the large corporations have packed up and taken their head count to third world countries where the people still live in grass huts, have no plumbing and work for 1.35 an hour.
Pretty soon there will be two classes, the very rich living in mansions and the rest of us all living in grass huts or cardboard shanties.
People playing hatchet man to their fellow human beings in order to justify and maintain their own survival in a world gone mad only to eventually find themselves at the chopping block too (managers).
The internet, particularly sites like ATS have become the basis for information as more and more compliant little sheep awaken and "they" are scared.
Scared that if enough of us awaken we might gather the strength in numbers and courage to take back the keys to our prison and demand an end to our servitude.
If the vast majority of people do not wake up and gather some bravery we are indeed headed for a all out prison planet.
He who controls the information controls the masses.
Read my location. I did not choose this lightly and have had it on almost from day one that I jointed ATS.
Read my signature.
If you allow ANY kind of wongness to befall another in the name of your own survival you too will perish.
UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE WILL FALL and we are falling and fast.
I will repeat myself because every single person out there reading this needs to know who our real enemy is.
"They" are the large corporations and the "humans" running them that control the US Government.
Our government has not been for the people or by the people for a very long time time.
Our government is for the large corporations and run by the large corporations with the people serving them.
All of our large media are owned and operated by the large corporations which in turn are run by an elite handful of the richest men/women on the planet.
Control the media of information and truly you control the people's mind.
One last thought.
We are all inner connected. Don't think for a moment that in order to survive you have to screw over anyone else because any screwing over anyone in the name of survival is ludicris. Eventually you too will find yourself being screwed.
Managers that smile sweetly and say "Well Fred / Wilma, I'm sorry but I have to give you a pink slip and escort you and your little box of possessions out" eventually find themselves being escorted out the door.
The only loyality we all should have is to each other and not the CORPORATIONS we work for.
We are all inner connected. What you do unto another you do unto yourself but most people can't see that far down the road.
[edit on 18-6-2009 by ofhumandescent]
reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 07:02 AM by Chilled Zen
reply to post by mister.old.school
S+F for a very well thought out post.
I'm assuming that this potential legislation only applies to the US, however it might start to give the idiots in power here (UK) ideas and they just love to pass stupid laws of this kind.
Corporations have so much power over politicians, we need a firewall between the lobbyists and elected representatives. Why not just ban all
lobbyists apart from ones for charity?
S+F for a very well thought out post.
I'm assuming that this potential legislation only applies to the US, however it might start to give the idiots in power here (UK) ideas and they just love to pass stupid laws of this kind.
Corporations have so much power over politicians, we need a firewall
between the lobbyists and elected representatives. Why not just ban all
lobbyists apart from ones for charity?
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