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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 09:13 PM
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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 09:15 PM
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Being a computer animator and being Creative I tend to believe everything. And if I cant believe it I sure can Hoax it





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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 09:15 PM
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ATS is a diverse community ,and we are moths to its dancing flame .

Some posters just go that extra mile .....


Are there mentally ill people who are ATS members ....... yes .

Just today i read the thoughts of an ATS member who could only be
described as schizophrenic IMHO. Many contributors to the thread, stated as much in as respectful a way as possible, considering .
Others just ploughed in , ignoring the individuals distressed state and enabled them in their paranoid fantasy .

Now don`t get me wrong this wasn`t just a statement or two .This was paranoia ....run amok . An elaborate theme of perceived persecution ,spanning a lifetime, of which they believed themselves to be the epicentre .
He sounded mentally exhausted from his "ordeal" , very distressing when you realise they truly believe it .


ATS is not a good place for a disturbed mind .



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by spinalremain
Hey everyone. I very much enjoy browsing this site to seek the truth about many things which have more questions than answers, as are all of you guys/gals Im sure. Unfortunately I have seen there are some immature people who make up silly stories that they themselves are aliens. You guys know which recent thread I'm reffering to. Anyway, I thought this site was one of the more serious ones? Am I wrong? How often is it that ppl post rediculous threads like this?
I'm sorry but it bothers me when you have ppl making up tales to deceive ppl. It creates confusion and it's counterproductive as it takes us farther from the truth. What do you guys think?


Oh just let people fantasize already. What's the big deal? If anyone truly falls for it, then they don't deserve to be in adult conversations that promote serious discussion anyway and will be noted as such. In short, if anyone takes 'pretend aliens' serious, then they, themselves are also a laughing stock for even considering it. Let 'em play. It's nothing more than the adult version of children playing Cowboys and Indians. Some do it just to get a rise out of people (as in this particular case, it seemed to have worked). Some actually believe they are aliens because this world of crap that we live in today, is so harsh, boring, scary, greedy, mundane, evil, gluttonous, and any other variation thereof, that most people are probably embarrassed to even be called human...so they create an inebriated alter-psychological self to just "step out for awhile". It helps sometimes to escape reality and create a world that you control and not others. It isn't harmful (for the most part). So let people step out of this Bush/Cheney/Obama/Clinton (both of those guys)/Rumsfeldian cancerous version of a world and slip into something a little more comfortable............an insect-looking type of existence where THEY are the ones who do the @nal-probing and wield the control in their lives. Seriously lighten up, they're just having fun and I am sure they are not hindering anything but their ability to make friends.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 09:21 PM
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Happens all over the website.

Us Cryptozoology nuts have been battling with the Twilight generation in the forum who insist they are, or know somebody who is, a vampire.

Topics about it flooded the forum until it was finally corked by a thoughtful moderator.

Problem is... we can't prove 100% they aren't what they claim.

Yeah, our common sense and intelligence lets us know what they are and what they aren't, but physical proof of our opinion can't be found. So it isn't breaking the Terms and Conditions until it is proven a lie (hoax)... and since we can't prove them wrong, they get away with it.

Best just to let them all have their little roleplay sessions and move on.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 09:58 PM
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It's easy to discard the junk. I find it disturbing that people seem to want to use the site to create a fantasy world. Such as the space opera stuff. Still, I guess there's a place for it. You find all kinds, people who believe if they "win" an argument (in their mind) by intimidation or verbosity that it must mean they have stated the truth.

It seems much of society has come to believe virtue and truth can be won. That if they can convince you of something they must be on the right side. Governments are good examples. It seems most people believe paying taxes is their duty and governments seem to believe people must be taxed because it pays the bills so taxation must be right. Banks charge interest and employees believe they are helping people and doing good. Right for many is an acceptable rational.

Some people build detailed and elaborate documentation to support a point of view others don't. Academic and non academics. Some academics tend to think their "credentials" mean they are authorities. Ultimately truth eludes everyone, we only get fading glimpses. What matters most is to keep the mind out of ruts and headed upwards as best as we can.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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One thing I notice with some replies, apart from seeking physical evidence as proof for anything...which is understandable for those with no extra-ordinary experiences of their own, is the concept that those who are being dicussed here must see themselves as being "Special", which seems to offend a good number of readers.

With Indigos for instance, there is a lot of negative attitudes towards the concept as if it automatically makes the Indigo something Special. It makes them no such thing. It is only a description, a term used to illustrate the Souls who have entered this world holding a little more ability to open to higher awareness.. which by the way is something everyone can do. So therefore it cannot be special, it must be the norm if we allow it to be so.

Example:- Most people consider the Mercedes Benz to be a Prestige Vehicle and therefore Special compared to a 70's VW or Chevelle, etc. But, in Germany where the car is made it is used as a plain Taxi.. which makes it normal and not special in any way. See, perspective is everything!

I hold no Belief what-so-ever about Indigos and do not align with the new-ager concept of it in any way, but that does not prevent me from seeing some reality in it... or using the term in discussions such as this one.

These souls began re-entering this reality around the late '50's, so each of you are an Indigo by that definition. All that is preventing you from experiencing your own higher awareness is what you personally "Believe" about it and you. So negative and limiting Beliefs will preclude you from the experience, as will being too logically-minded where the mind overpowers all other possible phenomena. Yes, Beliefs are Attachments you still have from your early childhood Indoctrination into your culture.

I do not think those who claim to be an alien are in any way special or more 'spiritually evolved' than you or I. Yes it is true that some are mentally ill, some are messed with the abuse of drugs, some are lost and confused about their place in the big scheme of things as most of you are here, and some are simply what they claim to be.

We view reality from our traditional way of creating theories (which become beliefs through edification) to explain what we perceive from our very limited human awareness, instead of scrapping that fairly mundane ground to perceive from and looking from the outside in.... which provides us clear bigger picture views.

So, if we look from the bigger picture in towards this physical reality we could see that all things are very much possible and probable. If we can think of it here and now, then it MUST exist as a reality somewhere already. The proof for this would be in the disseminating process from the outside in to here, where all things already exist at levels of awareness "higher" than this very limited 3D reality we are currently experiencing.

Again, from the bigger picture view.. all Souls currently experiencing life in this 3D world HAD to have come from somewhere else before here. This in effect makes each of you an Alien by the definition of what an alien is.

So, if you are an alien because the soul you are Existed before being incarnated Here, then you have no right, at all, to judge another person's experience of reality as being wrong, crazy, or of an unbalanced Ego.

You would have to accept that others do and have experienced a different reality to what you remember or currently have experienced, wouldn't you?

In which case most of you would no longer jump on anyone for their belief or claim of experience. You would instead simply allow them to have what is their's and not get wound up over it, preferring instead to put some effort into raising your own awareness in order to perceive bigger picture reality more clearly... for yourself.

Thus endeth the crazy old coot's rant



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by jokei
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What is vibrational resonance and also 3d negative reality, please give me something more enlightening than "this plane of existence", if possible I'd appreciate something akin to science.

Thankyou

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Good luck with that. They won't provide any substantial information.

I'm with you in spirit.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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They actually post the answers we just cannot see them because they are on a different vibrational level.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 10:49 PM
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I come here because i can speak my mind. That is what i love about the place. Soem good quality content posters have been missing and alot of snot nosed kids are taking over that's the only problem i have with this site. Who come on and think they run the place and what we can and cannot post.
Good on those people who are finally coming out and being who they want to be. Its been too long psychiatry has been running the show and telling us we are crazy while they make a mint off medication.

There is an awakening of the human conciousness whether people like it or not. Its happening. You do know that certain topics ar ewposted in certain areas such as metaphysics, philosophy or aliens. So they are usually poste din the right area. Whether it reaches the front page is another matter. People have to respect the forum the topic was posted in.


By the way i do not believe anyone is an alien. Higher conciousness is inherent in all human beings and has been apart of man since the beginning of time. It has been blocked off and peoples conciousness has been shut down to it.

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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 10:52 PM
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I dont think people are becoming more aware. I think people are watching too much sci-fi, playing too many video games, spending too much time on whacked out websites, and reading books written by con-men.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 10:53 PM
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I can say that I have two mental illnesses that are not dellusional, I can say that I also have special abilities that are intimately tied to said mental illnesses. I can attest that I am no alien. I can also say that I have seen some things also, I have seen a man who had blue transleucent scales forming on his arms and I was very suspicious thinking that he may be an alien or hybrid. The guy I am referring to was the only one to take me asside and teach me to defend my life in a lethal manner and he did this when I was in danger as that was a very dangerous time for me, people were trying to kill me.

I am however a man of extremes as my illness casts me into extreme states. Therefore, I can be defined as one who seeks extremes in the world of Truth. I want to know exactly how deep that rabbit hole goes and what it is like down there.

I am a very rare soul having the gift of prophecy that manifests itself in my dreams. I have a little psychic ability but my adhd makes it hard to concentrate. I developed the ability to do a very little bit of psychokinesis from, you guessed it, a thread on ats. I can only do psychokinesis sometimes and it is not very spectacular but is still true psychokinesis. I read that thread about two months ago and I have had success already.

I am probably one of the ones referred to here but I am no alien. I am bold enough to let my state be expressed openly and my depth is such that wierd
is just not the word for me. I have strength also and fear no critisism. Sometimes I will tell what I think but usually I tell exactly what I know to be true. If I am telling what I think, I state just that.

My iq is also very extreme (iq 137 and rising daily), so to somebody of a lesser iq I can come off as completely crazy. Anybody who seeks enlargement will be subject to the extremely crazy reality that is experienced by those of great intellect. It is impossible to be this smart and not know how crazy reality really is, at that level these things become crystal clear.

Now I will say that a claim to be alien by an ats blogger is highly unlikely truth. Why would an alien expose themselves here where they can be tracked, intercepted and disected by government scientists. I cannot see a real alien exposing themselves on ats. Now if somebody were abducted and there were alien stem cells and dna incorperated into their body, then I could see somebody blogging about such things. They would be trying to find out why they are different now, kinda like experiencing puberty and its onset, where, you don't really know what is going on, but you can feel it.

Please don't be too critical of the indigo group because we do have special abilities but for every ability there is a very real disorder. The reason for this
is due to mutation. There is no evolution ever, but only mutation. The scientific law of entropy states, that in this universe everything moves from order to disorder. There can be no evolution but we can adapt by means of mutation which is subject to the law of entropy. Because of entropy all mutation comes with disorder on some level. The most intelligent and gifted people around have some disorder, eg. "The Rain Man".

I have one of the most extreme gifts and disorders and can say that if I were fixed tomarrow and cured of my bipolar, adhd, and insomnia, I would wake up the next day without any of my gifts and also with a lesser intellect. This would completely destroy me at the fundamental level. So yes, I have a few mental illnesses but I also have extremely high gifts which should not be viewed with contempt. Most who read my writing will think me crazy because
they lack the mental amplitude to see me.

The smart ones realize that I know something and inquire of me in a friendly manner. Those are the ones who get enlightened, and sugar is my brand of truth serum. Also to note, there are some just as smart as me and even smarter, but those are lacking in the imagination department, where I am not.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 10:58 PM
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Simply put, the moment someone claims to be something that is slightly on the side of disbelief, it is up to them to produce evidence to back up this claim.

John Lear is a perfect example...he came onto the site sometime back and said it was him...after a little bit, the people demanded proof that he was who he said...and he produced it.

All these alien wannabes have yet to produce any evidence whatsoever to their claim, which in my opinion, means they should be ignored or simply taken as the average nut until such a time as they produce any supporting evidence to their claim.

now, if someone wants to say they are enlightened, or that they have dreams of aliens talking to them and feel its more than just a dream...sure, thats acceptable....if someone wants to talk about their abduction experience, sure...we dont have to believe it, but at least they are not claiming they are something..they are just claiming a experience they had.

just ignore the silly I am a alien type...the net is filled with attention seeking geeks whom want to feel special



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by grapesofraft
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I dont think people are becoming more aware. I think people are watching too much sci-fi, playing too many video games, spending too much time on whacked out websites, and reading books written by con-men.


You mentioned everything that shuts down human conciousness. Everything made by modern technology is too shut down human conciousness anyway.
My conciousness and awakening did not happen from a book but by cleaning up my diet and eating only from nature, raw in its pristine whole state. If its written in a book its just an AHA moment of the experiences i have had out in nature.

There is no special abilities that man did not already have in himself since the beginning of time. Since the time of paradise where thought was not impeded.

Look at ancient artifacts and tell me they were caveman. Look at the art back then.

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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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Usually, this site is a very good source for conspiracy theories and breaking alternative news you might not find in the mainstream sector..

However...there are moronic beings who come on here claiming to be aliens and then there are those who actually wanna hear more of their fictional insane stories.

"I'm an alien from another planet."

"Really? What planet? What do you want from us? How you like ATS?"

How about no reply? No reply gives the OP the hint Nobody gives a damn.

I like this thread because it's about time someone questions the insanity of this website....I was bound to do it eventually, but hey, thank you. lol.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 11:06 PM
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By the way i believe aliens have no thoughts and feelings like humans but can mimick humans. People who think they were aliens are being deceived of their divine human right. The gifts already inherent in them(all humans). Blocked off from them over the millenia. Persecuted at the stake. Then drugged and letting other man tell them how to live and what dogmas to listen too.

Thought, observing, experience, creation, self thinking, discovering,unlimiting power is within every human. We just dont realise how we subject ourselves to others thoughts. We are our own inventors if given the opportunity to create what should and could be given to us during the right circumstances of the awakening.



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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 11:14 PM
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If you're looking for a "sane" Ufology website, good luck. Ufology and all of its related branches are considered fringe to 99% of everyone else.

The main point I was trying to make is that essentially, we are aliens. Not in the sense that some of us might think we come from other planets, but because of the ensemble of the differences separating us from animals and other lifeforms right here. We are an alien element to this place because out of all the lifeforms on this planet, we are the only one that has to dedicate itself to living in harmony with our ecological surroundings. In other words, it's work. Now why would a species that is so smart have to learn to live in harmony on the planet it dwells on - unless it indeed came from elsewhere? This question is the proverbial elephant in the room few wish to even mention.

The other reality check comes in the form of semantics. if there are indeed other lifeforms in the Universe, then that does qualify us right there as being...aliens.

Call me a freak and coat the insults in silk all you want, but I'm calling it like how I think it is.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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But if the label did not imply something special, then would those people still attach themselves to the label?

While the car you mention may be no big deal in Germany, in the US many people buy and drive cars like that simply because it does imply they are special. It's the whole idea behind "name brands".

If someone has the characteristics of "indigo's", then good for them. But all I ever see is people sporting the label, and most of the time they really don't say anything that is enlightened.

And others try to turn the label into something of an authority. Ohhh, that person has the indigo label, they must be right and an authority. We must accept what they say as truth etc.

So personally, I think if they weren't trying to be "special" then they wouldn't carry the label and all that. No different than if you put the price of a Mercedes down to the cost of a geo metro, and put the geo metro logo on the car, many of the people who would have bought it as a Mercedes and for 5 times the price wouldn't even think of buying it as the metro. Even if it was the same car. Not to mention the people who buy the metro, and then switch out the logos after to make people think they spent that much on the car.

Same deal with being an alien. If they are alien and they view themselves as being "alien", then I feel sorry for the "alien". Seems they have progressed a ton in technology, and yet still haven't learn the difference between what is "them" and what is an attachment.



posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by dsm1664
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I understand what you are trying to say, however please explain how you know that some of these people aren't telling the truth and that you can just not comprehend it?

A few years back, me and this guy figured out the world was actually spherical. We were sitting on a beach one day when I noticed the top of a ships sails seemed to appearing on the horizon. We looked through our telescope and gradually the ship come in to view. It was one of those moment, when we realised that everything we thought we know was wrong.

We started to spread the word, but the people just laughed at us, called us names, even throw crap at us. It took a while, but others finally learnt we were right all along.



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Edit: I'm not saying you are wrong, but I have an open but skeptical mind. And such as the law, innocent until proved guilty. Unless they state they flew here on dragons. lol

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I am sure that the day that happened, you had your telescope handy for any skeptics to have a look for themselves. And the world changed its collective mind and we all now understand the world is a big sphere. When an "indigo" can do something similar to that, I'll be sold.

-rrr



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