Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
You are right. People like the OP, and you, and I, and other posters with life experience could create a utopian neighborhood. I am currently adding
on to my parent's house and moving my family in with them. My dad had triple bypass surgery and he needs a little more help than he used to. They
have a large house with a pool, and an acre or so of land. We all save money, we all benefit.
-- not to take this into left field or anything, but...
This is what i grew up with -- in New York of all places. Now, I'm in Georgia, everything is focused on the Church and bake sales.
It's external, it's about controlling what people think, how they act, and it replaces our own internal strength with "something out there."
Philosophically, there are good and bad things with all religions -- but it is the practice of how we do in in the USA amongst us Caucasians that I
won't subject my kids to. These guys voted for George Bush twice. And his ignorance probably got him more votes in Georgia than if he had been well
spoken. This might be a superficial thing -- because most people don't take politics seriously. But when I go to the barbecue -- they introduce me as
"that Liberal." I wasn't that up front with it, it kind of slipped out one time when I was correcting some nonsense about Reagan's economic
record. It really couldn't be helped.
I grew up a Unitarian, but had to suffer with an Episcopal and then years at a Baptist Church--it's all bout guilt, and the collection plate,
avoiding Hell and a fixation on "blood". I've seen the inside of Latin Catholics and the churches of black folk -- and it's all about love.
Consequently, I don't trust people who won't cuss.
>> Anyone leaving out nature, making love, and sharing (without being FORCED to give up control as in Communism) is really not someone who is going to
be giving me any wisdom.
You can't have a full life without leaving anything out. You are going to get weird, and cling to something to fill the void if you do.
>> The Catholic Church, by the way, added abstinence and required their priests to be unmarried in the 13th century. Why? Cost savings. A married
priest who died would leave behind a wife and kids for the church to support. It didn't matter that someone who leaves out a big portion of intimacy
is going to go crazy, or at least, have no real insight to give to people who do have relationships. Nope, it was about the money.
All of our commercials inform us that we NEED something to be happy. That something requires more money and that money requires more work.
>> You know what I need? Beautiful women in bathing suits hitting a ball back and forth. My kids eating food out of a garden and being educated by a
good neighbor. A community with no fences.
>> I eventually want to move my wife's parents into an adjacent home or the basement. Why am I knocking myself out for day care?
Your point about bringing the family and community back into our lives -- it's what I want. But I certainly don't want the bible thumpers, the
haters, the people who are afraid to come in with them.
In my quest to have a lawn -- I've noticed that my neighbors now say "hello." It's disconcerting -- because before, I was working two jobs (and
more) and that's why the lawn went wild. I spent a fortune taking down trees and lost money by not doing more work, but I wanted a house my kids
could play at and my neighbors didn't accelerate past. However, it's left me in a worse financial situation, even if it did return some sanity to my
Unless I become an Executive and some hive-like corporation -- or a super programmer -- and I think this goes for all of us, I'm not going to have
the lifestyle and the neighborhood relationships I want unless I depend on other people to fill in the gaps. Neither are they.
If we all want our own pool, it's a financial burden and a burden on the planet.
The trade-off again, is that we have to know how to actually share, we need to be tolerant, and in some regard, I have a hard time with that with
people who call themselves social conservatives. They seem to WANT what I want, however.