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A lot of homosexual behaving animals "choose" that option cause they are exposed to chemical pollution... Google a little...detergents hormones etc even in small doses are impairing their natural sexual responses. Thats , seem to be one, maybe main reason for tem going "gay"
In my opinion - if there's enough chemicals in the sea to make *some* dolphins in a pod *gay* - don't you thin logic would tell you it would effect the whole group the same way?
Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
"The excuses for this often include the statement that homosexuality is abnormal. These animal studies are simply being used to refute that lie.
If you want to argue that all homosexual behaviour in animals is unnatural you are simply showing your ignorance. There are well studied animal societies in which homosexuality is an established aspect of social interaction."
Hopefully, you meant 'you' in the universal sense. Im personally not arguing at all.
To illustrate, just as you (in the universal sense) substitute the word 'excuse' for the word 'reason' one could also substitute the word 'atypical' for 'abnormal'.
I.E: "The reason for this often include the statement that homosexuality is atypical." And I personally would add: "in both the human race and animal kingdom."
Then I imagine the futility of the entire matter is brought into focus for it is fact the practice is atypical for a very good reason. For while I agree that religious beliefs should not dictate the discussion, if I WERE to argue it would be against the futility of a behaviour that is a clear and undisputed biological dead end. To ME personally that makes it an issue beyond silly moral bickering.
After all, every homosexual creature of any species owes his or her very existence to parents that werent.
Tasteless and unwarranted remark, btw.
1.I was not presenting an 'argument'. I was stating a biological fact.
2."Human evolution can be looked at as the evolution of societies"
And human evolution is due exclusively to opposite gender sexual relations.
Same gender sexual relations have contributed absolutely nothing to human evolution.
If endangered species practice same gender relations permanently for whatever reason,they are on the fastest track to extinction.
3. Given the above is fact it truly invalidates any need to 'argue' on biological grounds except for the ego driven and makes the rest of your well written but pointless post non applicable.
Originally posted by bobbylove321
Being homosexual is a choice and nothing else.
For everyone that argues that there's a gay gene, then show some solid proof. As of today, there's no ACTUAL proof that says there's a gay gene.
Animals can do whatever they want because it's not important.
Humans being gay on the other hand is simply a choice, and it's their lifestyle, so it's NOT natural.
Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr.
I tried for the simplified version and the hope was that the same impressionable mind set that so easily changed your opinion regarding eye color might still be in effect and the simplified might appeal to you.
At any rate, I find it distasteful to bicker publicily and see little need for 500 words to demonstrate the obvious.
Your views, after all are only possible because biology supports mine. Unless of course, you,genes and all, are here living and breathing and endlessly typing due to the incredible act of same- gender-sexual-relations produced evolution.
From an objective perspective I find the argument: "if it occurs in nature its natural for human beings" a bit weak.
Just because a behavior occurs in species other than human beings does not make it natural for us, for example mice naturally eat their weakest offspring.
I fail to see why homosexuality is such a huge social issue. Let people be what they want to be.
Originally posted by Deaf Alien
Yes, exactly. Only the Christians (to be fair, other religious people) bring this up. We have never had this problem until some genius though that their holy books said that homosexuality was immoral.