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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 05:27 AM by CaptainCaveMan

Animals only do it if they are isolated with the same sex cut off from the opposite sex it doesn't occur commonly in nature.
I have looked at alot of studies on penguins and there is no evidence of homosexual penguins in the wild.
So that is a lie to begin with.
So obviously this is written by a homosexual trying to promote it.
Also if you think its ok to do everything animals do, Dogs and many other animals are commonly known to eat their own feces.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by CaptainCaveMan]

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 05:28 AM by Mindmelding

Homosexuality is not a "one size fits all" phenomenon. Some are homosexual because of choice, some out of physical imperatives (linked with genetics and/or hormonal anormality). Some out of trauma or mental confusion or emotional distress. But always it's a fringe behaviour. Most people are not gay, and gay behaviour should not have the media attention it has, especially since there is also the downside, which is pedophilia, sexual harassment, rape and so on.

I'm not a homophobe, if it's consenting adults, go for it if that's your inclination. Just don't think it's the normal human sexual behaviour, it's not. It's fringe and if the gay lobbies think that gayness should be a school subject, which they do with an agenda to foster and create homosexual behaviour, then they might find themselves on the other side of a hunt for gay witches. I suspect the elitist eugenics crowd use the gay lobbies to spread this fringe sexual behaviour as a means of population control and reduction.

Homosexuality is just this, be it in animals or humans, just a fringe sexual behaviour, an extreme of the bell curve. It might be acceptable in certain circumstances, but it's still an abnormality. I would accept a homosexual child if I ever had one, but in no way would I encourage the behaviour. There is a very dark side to homosexual behaviour, and people should realise this before they put homosexuality on a pedestal it does not belong.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 05:33 AM by Acidtastic

A dark side to homosexual behaviour? Oh purleeaase.

Please state what these are, and also please state wether or not that they are exclusive to the gay community. Rape, peadophillia, harrasment and insest are all things that straight people do too, you know?

Also, to captain caveman, can you please provide the information you got which says that the author of the article is gay, because I've not seen it in the article.

[edit on 17/6/2009 by Acidtastic]

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 05:40 AM by Tentickles

Originally posted by CaptainCaveMan
Animals only do it if they are isolated with the same sex cut off from the opposite sex it doesn't occur commonly in nature.
I have looked at alot of studies on penguins and there is no evidence of homosexual penguins in the wild.
So that is a lie to begin with.
So obviously this is written by a homosexual trying to promote it.
Also if you think its ok to do everything animals do, Dogs and many other animals are commonly known to eat their own feces.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by CaptainCaveMan]

ORLY?

Please show me the scientific studies.

Morals and religion are blight upon the human race, hindering and dividing us.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 05:42 AM by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by Mindmelding
Homosexuality is not a "one size fits all" phenomenon. Some are homosexual because of choice, some out of physical imperatives (linked with genetics and/or hormonal anormality). Some out of trauma or mental confusion or emotional distress. But always it's a fringe behaviour. Most people are not gay, and gay behaviour should not have the media attention it has, especially since there is also the downside, which is pedophilia, sexual harassment, rape and so on.

I'm not a homophobe, if it's consenting adults, go for it if that's your inclination. Just don't think it's the normal human sexual behaviour, it's not. It's fringe and if the gay lobbies think that gayness should be a school subject, which they do with an agenda to foster and create homosexual behaviour, then they might find themselves on the other side of a hunt for gay witches. I suspect the elitist eugenics crowd use the gay lobbies to spread this fringe sexual behaviour as a means of population control and reduction.

Homosexuality is just this, be it in animals or humans, just a fringe sexual behaviour, an extreme of the bell curve. It might be acceptable in certain circumstances, but it's still an abnormality. I would accept a homosexual child if I ever had one, but in no way would I encourage the behaviour. There is a very dark side to homosexual behaviour, and people should realise this before they put homosexuality on a pedestal it does not belong.

Human beings have a range of genes that effect sexual choice. Its not an abnormality, like you say its just at one end of a curve. what is your evidence for a Dark side of homosexuality youve just made a very homophobic remark there making a sweeping generalisation about gay people. Do you know any gay people, have you been to a gay bar before. just because you dont like it, does not make it Dark.

No ones putting Gay people on a pedestal here, I'm just seeing a lot of ignorant homophobes. I'm not gay, but have gay friends and find this all very offensive.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 05:48 AM by Mindmelding

reply to post by Acidtastic

Right you are, but my (non sexual) experience with the homosexual community is that there is a lot of chickenhawks in the mix, probably more than the average for pedophile behaviour in heterosexual populations, which is actually pretty rare by all counts. Not only that but they organise and make lobbies and interest groups based on their sexual circles, a gay mafia if you will. This is more noticeable with the males, I am less familiar with the lesbian community.

I maintain that there is a dark side, and if you actually know a lot of gay people you'll realise that, for lack of a better term, many of them are messed up, and it's not just from social rejection, which these days is minimal, it's more from their own internal emotional conflicts.

Again, I'm not a homophobe, I don't want to ban the gay, just make people aware that it's not all fun and bunnies and rainbows and all that. It, like sex in general, has a very dark side and especially children should be protected from it untill they are old enough to be responsible for their own bodies and the bodies of others.

Sex, hetero or homo, can either make or break a psyche, and the more extreme and statistically rare the behaviour the more the potential for damage, which is why I singled out homosexuality in these posts. Sex should be a grown up phenomenon, which children are slowly made aware of during their lifetime, but never thrown into as is happening now in western education systems.

Yes, I am a bit of a prude, but when I look around at society I see a lot of damage that stems from sexual behaviour patterns that do not benefit it at all. Sex without love, hetero or homo sex, is always potentially dangerous.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 05:55 AM by Mindmelding

reply to post by woodwardjnr

Yes, I do know a lot of gay people, my social and professional life puts me in contact with many people and yes, it is abnormal, as the very definition of abnormal puts it, as you put it, on one end of bell curve distribution of statistical data. Normal sexual behaviour is in the middle of the curve.

You're having a negative emotional reaction to my posts but you're not actually countering any of my arguments. Sure, the gay community rationalizes themselves into psuedonormality and are offended if anyone says otherwise. Even pedophiles rationalise that the children want sex, this has been studied.

However, the reality of the situation is less flattering.

But I am not a homophobe, as long as it's consenting adults I consider homosexuality acceptable behaviour. As long as homosexuals don't attempt to make it mainstream human sexual behaviour, which is against our own biology by all accounts, people like me have nothing to say.

But overstep those limits and we have a problem. This is not homophobia, an irrational fear of homosexuals. This is bounderies for acceptable sexual behaviour. Understand?

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reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 05:55 AM by miraclerock

Why do people care so much about this? I simply do not understand why people are unable to mind their own business. 99% of the world problems would be solved if people would stop trying to control others all the time, I know it sounds crazy, but you don't need to steal other peoples money, property, or especially their freedom to do whatever they want

. I never see gay people protesting to not allow straight or religious people to marry so who has the higher moral ground

?

[edit on 17-6-2009 by miraclerock]

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:02 AM by Gaspode

Originally posted by Mindmelding
Right you are, but my (non sexual) experience with the homosexual community is that there is a lot of chickenhawks in the mix, probably more than the average for pedophile behaviour in heterosexual populations, which is actually pretty rare by all counts.
...

Again. A sweeping statement... based on? Yes there are a lot of older men that prefer younger male partners. But in no way or form is there less of this in the heterosexual "world".

And I'm not sure whether a big age difference really qualifies for the paedophile label? Would that make Demi Moore a paedophile?

Back to the "oh so innocent heterosexual male". Many dads have fantasies about their daughters' best friends. I mean there's a whole industry in the Porn business based on the "Catholic School Girl Fetish". Pretty rare? I think not.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:03 AM by Acidtastic

Originally posted by Mindmelding
reply to post by woodwardjnr

But overstep those limits and we have a problem. This is not homophobia, an irrational fear of homosexuals. This is bounderies for acceptable sexual behaviour. Understand?

[edit on 17-6-2009 by Mindmelding]

the 2 are the same thing IMO. Who sets these boundries that we're all to live by? Religion? Don't think so, not in my book. I'll never accept advice on sexual behaviour, by a celebate man in a dress

As soon as you set those boundries, they will be broken.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:05 AM by darkraver

the funniest and most ignorant thing I've read today is proposing two- female-albatross-caring-for-the-young-in-the-lack-of-male-gender
is proof of homosexuality in nature

WTF?!
those activists must be grasping for straws now and then

the basic premise of nature as you imply it( flora and fauna that is) is procreation

homosexuality in nature is "normal" just by time reference ,
two homosexual,let's say penguins, are natural as long as they are alive,
they do not reproduce,and once they get old and pass away...hmm

they seem not to be so natural at all do they?

homosexuality is not natural,it is a minor part of mammal animal-human sexual behaviour,a statistical thruth, and must therefore be accepted by community because it is simply a fact,
but it is not natural

if it was natural nature would surely provide a way to homosexual subjects to prolong their genes in it's gene pool...
since that is not the case in our time-space reality at least

that statement is only whishful thinking i'm affraid

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:06 AM by Mindmelding

reply to post by miraclerock

The answer to this is "one person's freedom ends where the freedom of others begin". Sexual behaviour has the potential to overstep this very basic boundary, so it will always be contentious.

No normal, statistically average, family, wants to have homosexual children. No mammal population can survive mass homosexual behaviour, which goes against it's very reproduction. So it will always be contentious.

Consenting adults in the privacy of their own space is fine though, be it a gay bar, out in the woods brokeback style or a suburban home, I don't care. But as a meme for mass consumption homosexuality is dangerous and unnatural. If homosexuals accepted the fringeness of their behaviour and were at peace with themselves there would not be such a big issue. But they don't and have a knee jerk "I am gay, hear me roar" reaction, which actually hurts them more than anyone else.

Discretion would be more advisable than making gay so high profile.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:14 AM by miraclerock

reply to post by Mindmelding

The argument that our population couldn't sustain itself because of homosexuals is moot. When we have people who want to depopulate the planet and when we kill millions of each other every year in war population is obviously not our chief concern.

Also who cares if it is natural? Is it natural to build particle accelerators, is it natural to travel to the moon, is it natural to worship invisible beings? I'm pretty sure humans have moved beyond what is natural and are aspiring to become something more at this point.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:14 AM by TiM3LoRd

nothing new here. gay and straight people will always fight to defend their own personal view. and all the power to them. be it choice or nature does it really matter? personally i think we should be more concerned about how we treat each other. having said that i have noticed a major push in the media to promote homosexuality. im assuming thats beacuse its the latest thing. all the celebs are doing it so it must be cool.

anyway to each his own but dont glamorize for the sake of it.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:23 AM by silo13

reply to post by CaptainCaveMan

Animals only do it if they are isolated with the same sex cut off from the opposite sex it doesn't occur commonly in nature.

Absolutely a falsehood sorry.

Dolphins - living in pods, practice homosexual behavior.
There is a breed of goat - I forgot the name - that pairs up within herds and mate for life.
Many other examples, I'm just not going to take the time to spoon feed.

Just saying it's a lot more common than you might think - and not a practice animals resort to out of desperation for sexual release.

peace

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:29 AM by Mindmelding

Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by Mindmelding
reply to post by woodwardjnr

But overstep those limits and we have a problem. This is not homophobia, an irrational fear of homosexuals. This is bounderies for acceptable sexual behaviour. Understand?

[edit on 17-6-2009 by Mindmelding]
the 2 are the same thing IMO. Who sets these boundries that we're all to live by? Religion? Don't think so, not in my book. I'll never accept advice on sexual behaviour, by a celebate man in a dress As soon as you set those boundries, they will be broken.

Except those boundaries are set by our own biology, not any man. I'm not a religious person, my spirituality is personal.

However, I will say this, if God wanted us all to be homosexual he would have made us all snails or something.

Again, if it's consenting adults I'm not setting boundaries on anyone. This is an important thing to consider in my posts, so as to not injustly accuse me of something I'm not saying. I'm framing homosexuality in relation to the rest of us, not attempting to control anyone, just reestablishing boundaries that were setup by nature itself.

The 2 things are not at all the same.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:31 AM by darkraver

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by CaptainCaveMan

Animals only do it if they are isolated with the same sex cut off from the opposite sex it doesn't occur commonly in nature.

Absolutely a falsehood sorry.

Dolphins - living in pods, practice homosexual behavior.
There is a breed of goat - I forgot the name - that pairs up within herds and mate for life.
Many other examples, I'm just not going to take the time to spoon feed.

Just saying it's a lot more common than you might think - and not a practice animals resort to out of desperation for sexual release.

peace

it is also not that "lot more" common as you see it to be

but as I said

"if it was natural nature would surely provide a way for homosexual subjects to prolong their genes in it's gene pool..."

end of story

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:33 AM by Mindmelding

reply to post by silo13

Except it's always "some dolphins" and "some goats", never the majority of the population, at least in the cases I've read up on. Even dogs usually engage in homosexual behaviour due to the lack of availability of females, as most people prefer male dogs which leads to population inbalance. The same thing happens with humans in prisons. These cases of suppression or unavailability of females are unnatural, and the resulting gay behaviour would not exist were the natural alternative present.

But yes, regardless of the above, a small percentage of the population would always be gay, I accept that. From some of the responses on this thread I have the feeling I accept this more than the natural gays themselves, who want to be the majority, who want more gay people, who want more sexual release. But this is not a healthy motivation for social policies, sorry, but it just is not.

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:37 AM by Deaf Alien

reply to post by Mindmelding

The same thing happens with humans in prisons. These cases of suppression or unavailability of females are unnatural, and the resulting gay behaviour would not exist were the natural alternative present.

Where's the study for that? Have you ever been in a prison?

Would you, yourself, become gay if you were placed in an unnatural environment?

Why, or why not?

reply posted on 17-6-2009 @ 06:38 AM by darkelf

How does animal behavior equal justification for human behavior? If a dog drops a load on my lawn does that provide justification for me to do the same? Animals mate in pulic, lick themselves and do all sorts of thing that most people would never dream of doing. But it is natural for the animal. Quit trying to justify human behavior with the animal kingdom.

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