Children to be 1st for H1N1 Vaccine, page 5

reply to post by Truth4hire

---

Amen, T4H. I like your approach. We, as a family, share your feelings, only our arsenal is slightly different.

reply to post by Karlhungis

---

Your points are rational and important. The problem (among many with the vacines) is that, under the Emergency Use Authorization act, the vaccines are not forced to go through clinical trials- that means we're playing Russian Roulette with our kids- or ourselves, and that's not acceptable- epescially in an era of due process in pharma research. it's frequently wrong, and pharmas fit their data to their hypotheses, but at LEAST there are sme trials before they go onto humans.

This is coming from one who worked for two pharmas and was involved in INDAs- Investigational New Drug Applications. It's a long an tedious process, designed to protect the user. It's CRITICAL and we're throwing that away under the EUA -

reply to post by theneoilluminati

---

Agere with you-however, the US, at least, has plans to override that provision.

I posted a primer from 9 June from DHS describing how, despite State laws in place, allowing people to refuse the vaccine on prinicples of religion or health, the Federal Gov can override the Constitiution and Nurmburg. If we refuse the shot we will be forced into isolation and/or quarantine, and our kids won't be able to attend school.

The Congressiona laws are written, Supreme Court precedent is set and states have individual rights in the Republic, and yet one pen stroke by Obama would render all of that null and void. AND if we take the vaccine and become ill, the government is indemnified against legal action from the people made ill. It's loose-loose for citizens in this case. the Emergency Use Authorization trumps everything.

I still think the best cousre of action is to have a friend in a clinical field stamp a card,or whatever they're going to do, to "prove" we've been immunized.

Massachusets has passed legislation allowing invasion and seizure of property and individuals in the event of a catastrophic flu event- and surely other states will follow.

reply to post by nenothtu

---

You're right about pre-existing conditions- I thought I had included that. Certainly all these children will be excluded- and yet Obama wants to eliminate that from health care company's criteria for insuring people, so maybe TPTB just KNOW how much can be made from all these kids growing up ill.

Revolting.

reply to post by CultureD

---

You did mention the initiation of the "pre-existing conditions", I only made the link to a guaranteed client base for the health care farce down the road.

As far as the MA "invasion and seizure" law goes, that would be a circumvention of the US Constitution, which by rights ought to apply throughout the US. I suppose they could keep the letter while violating the spirit by just rubber-stamping warrants. Should that happen, it would be up to the people of MA to erase that problem, and all the causes of it. If they failed to do so, they would get what they have coming to them, and couldn't properly expect help with what they failed to do for themselves, having the ability.

My heart bleeds for Mass, the home of Boston, Bunker Hill, and a vital player in the revolution which secured the freedoms we once had in America. To see what the state has become in general, and how far it has fallen, hurts. I'm not disparaging everyone in MA, but I wonder if there's ENOUGH of the spirit of freedom left there to carry the day when it comes. And I have to wonder, if there IS, how did it get to where it is now?

I'm sure several other states will follow suit with this draconian methodology, but I'm equally sure some of them will encounter "difficulties" when they do.

It's not just MA, it's becoming endemic.

Edit: where did you post the 9 Jun DHS primer on how to ignore the Constitution? I'd like to read it, as knowing what your up against ahead of time helps one to build effective strategies. Probably why DHS keeps so much of it's stuff secret. You would think DHS would at some point start securing the homeland, and cease setting the citizens up for harassment.

[edit on 2009/6/20 by nenothtu]

reply to post by nenothtu

---

You took the words from my mouth- I, too, am deeply saddened by Massachusets' "legislation". Where in god's name is the Constitution that was patially born there? And what example do theyset for the other states- for the Feds? It's despicable.

reply to post by nenothtu

---

Here's the DHS primer posted June 9-

Same s the Bush Admin preparedness for biowarfare, but edited for influenz.

Lots of "you have rights under the law: but we can override them. Everone should read it and have it. It's essentially no different from the Mass. legislation, just candy-coated so sheep can't read the fine print.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Another Bug, Worse than the Last Bug - Flesh Eater Spreading
  Posted 10 days ago with 20 member flags

Superbugs spied off the Antarctic coast
  Posted 10 days ago with 14 member flags

NYC Employers Now REQUIRE Yearly H1N1 Shot - Or you\'re FIRED!
  Posted 8 days ago with 6 member flags

Antibiotic-Resistant Bacteria Found in 37 U.S. States
  Posted 6 days ago with 6 member flags

Bird flu \'censorship\' decision
  Posted 12 days ago with 5 member flags

No way of stopping leak of deadly new flu, says terror chief
  Posted 4 days ago with 5 member flags

Schmallenberg Virus affects European Livestock
  Posted 5 days ago with 5 member flags

CDC: Morgellons Disease May Be Psychiatric Disorder
  Posted 17 days ago with 4 member flags

Newest topics, updated in real-time:

Newest topics getting flags, in real-time:

Newest topics getting replies, in real-time: