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Muslim Call To Prayer In Your Hometown

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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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A prayer call tower, or whatever it's called, is significant of nothing. Religious law has not supplanted the current laws here in America, nor will it in the foreseeable future.

I care nothing for Islam, or for that matter, Catholicism. Nor do I have anything against them. I am, I suppose, a Deist.

America is in little danger from becoming a Muslim nation as so many of you seem to fear. Catholics far, far outnumber Muslims by several orders of magnitude, not to mention the political power weilded by them.

Freedom to worship is protected in the Constitution. To attack Islamic practises is to violate the Constitution, who then might be next? Jews? Catholics? Someone else? Careful of the can of worms you open...




posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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I may have spoken too soon. I still believe what I posted above about treating others as I would want to be treated. But check this out.


We keep getting comments that Muslims in America simply want to assimilate and they don’t want anything to do with sharia. Also, that we can’t classify all Muslims as this or that. For that very reason, we single out very specific groups and activities that we believe promote sharia in the U.S. (primarily). No commenter has yet clarified how we can distinguish between the peaceful, non-sharia wanting folks and the non-peaceful, sharia (and jihad) wanting folks. The easiest way is when a Muslim goes on television and declares that Islam, and sharia, is coming to America. That America is destined to become an Islamic country. If America can’t be changed from the ground up, then it will be changed from the top. This Muslim leader is from Chicago. Could be referring to Barack Hussein Obama?


creepingsharia.wordpress.com...


The London News announced today that a UK study indicated that the most popular name for baby boys born there (currently Jack) will be replace by Mohammed next year. The average birth rate for native Englishwomen is 1.1 children per, while the Muslim women’s birth rate is 3.4, or more than triple. By all measures and accounts England will become Muslim in the not to distant future. The implications for this transition are staggering – and the same trend is apparent all across Europe as Muslims pour into these countries in record numbers, clustering in bustling communities and making their presence known socially, politically, and terrorist acts abound while radical Muslim Imams preach Jihad against the Western world.


rickbutts.com...


magine Russia in 2050! According to Paul Goble, a specialist on ethnic minorities in the Russian Federation has predicted that within the next several decades, Russia will become a Muslim majority state. There is another bad news with fast decline in country’s population. This has already become a headache for Russian politicians and policy makers. President Vladimir Putin has called already for Russian women to have more children, because demographers predict that Russia’s population will fall from 143 million to 100 million by 2050. This situation has alarmed Russians as well Western leaders, more so because analysts estimate that Muslims will comprise the majority group in Russia’s population in few decades. The Muslim population growth rate since 1989 is between 40 and 50 percent, depending on ethnic groups. Today Russia has about 8,000 mosques while 15 years there were only 300 mosques. According to statistics, by the end of 2015, number of mosques in Russia will cross 25,000. These statistics are frightening for many ethnic Russians who associate Islam with the Kremlin’s war against insurgents in Chechnya. Russia is shrinking. Alarmed by the situation, Putin has offered incentives to women who will have more children.


www.freerepublic.com...


How to Make America an Islamic Nation by Yahiya Emerick: Congress just passed a bill declaring the consumption of alcohol a felony, punishable by up to 120 days in jail. Although critics said the new law wouldn't work anymore than Prohibition did in the 1920's, supporters of the measure felt confident that it would hold, given the large support from the Muslim America community. Even now, many Islamic organizations are setting up alcohol treatment centers and prevention programs designed to help people kick the dangerous habit. The president, a staunch supporter of moral values, is expected to sign the new bill into law when reaches his desk. Sound like fiction? It may be fiction now, but the future is like a book of blank, white pages; anything can happen. When I accepted Islam and surrendered my heart to Allah's will, I didn't do it for economic or social reasons. In fact, I suffered in those two areas because of my conversion. Rather, it was a choice on my part to reform my soul, my mind and my understanding of why I was alive and why I would die one day. I didn't think about living in some town for a few years and making my fortune so my kids could go to Ivy league schools. I wasn't thinking about how to get all my relative a green card nor was I planning to leave and go back home to some far land after my bank account was full enough. I was born and raised here. This is my land. I'll raise my children here, Insha'allah and probably be buried here as well. I knew that by accepting Islam I was declaring that America needed to do so too. America, my home, would naturally become an Islamic country one day. There is no other way to think if you are a truly conscientious believer in Allah.


Am I still paranoid? You bet. I think this may deserve its own thread. Any takers?



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 11:41 AM
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Tuesday, May 19, 2009 How radical Islam is invading the State of Tennessee. The Bible-belt state of Tennessee is not known to have been targeted by Al-Qaeda or any other radical Islamic terrorist group, but the Volunteer State may be becoming a hotbed for the growth of extremism. Reports from Nashville, Shelbyville, and Dover indicate that Tennessee has gradually become a stronghold for radical Islamic forces that are transforming parts of the state. On May 13, I #reported on the discovery of extremism at the Al-Farooq Mosque in Nashville by award-winning counter-terrorism expert Dave Gaubatz, an individual that once held top-secret security clearance as an agent for the Air Force’s Office of Special Investigations. The library carried extremist texts and audio tapes by known radicals such as Syed Maududi and Ali Al-Tamimi, who was convicted for his role in terrorism. One calls for the killing of homosexuals, and another describes how Muslims not engaged in taking up an armed jihad must “strengthen the capability of those fighting on the front line.” Other texts were found by his female researcher when a member of the mosque brought her to a Somali store in Nashville that was well hidden because of what the mosque attendee described as “government problems.”


songdongnigh.blogspot.com...


ultimate determinant in the struggle now going on for the world will not be bombs and rockets but a test of wills and ideas - a trial of spiritual resolve: the values we hold, the beliefs we cherish and the ideals to which we are dedicated." - Ronald Reagan


Maybe we can all sing along to the call to prayer. That will show them.

[edit on 18-6-2009 by jackflap]



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 11:48 AM
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Let me say this, I too think the Islamic call to prayer is beautiful, they need reformation, specifically women's rights.

and the buddhist chant

and christian bells

enough said



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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I wound up starting another thread on the topic of the U.S. being invaded by Islam. Author sees Islams 20 year plan for the U.S. This is just too big to be left alone I believe. I believe being prudent as to what we are accepting is not being intolerant or prejudice.

1 John 4:1-3 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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Don't you understand that you can find the same sort of quotes from right wing Christians like Christian Reconstructionists advocating the exact same thing from their viewpoint.... a rejection of U.S. secular law in favor of Biblical law.

99% of the people who come here have no agenda save to be left alone and build a better life for themselves and their children... and this is true regardless of their religion.

The loudmouths and extremists never speak for the majority.



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by grover
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Don't you understand that you can find the same sort of quotes from right wing Christians like Christian Reconstructionists advocating the exact same thing from their viewpoint.... a rejection of U.S. secular law in favor of Biblical law.

99% of the people who come here have no agenda save to be left alone and build a better life for themselves and their children... and this is true regardless of their religion.

The loudmouths and extremists never speak for the majority.


You mean that Christians taking over America is a concern to me? This may be the headline in 50+ plus years after we realize we have been taken over and do something about it.



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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oops

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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Boy lots of tolerance and religious freedom here eh?

Oh goodness no! people are doing something different from me! Oh goodness gracious me oh my! I guess y'all will have to get a bunch of guns and rebel flags and perhaps even white hoods and go down to Hamtramck and teach them a lesson about tolerance eh?

Edit to add:

Hey y'all that are against this kind of stuff might also stop by the Holocaust museum and fire off a few more rounds at the guards. You know like your equally tolerant good buddy James von Brunn.

[edit on 6/18/2009 by whatukno]



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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Let's look at some Christian quotes



Pat Buchanan -

Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.

Here we have another 'I am better than you' scenario

Ann Coulter -

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

Pretty vicious to me

Jerry Falwell -

I do not believe the homosexual community deserves minority status. One's misbehavior does not qualify him or her for minority status. Blacks, Hispanics, women, etc. are God-ordained minorities who do indeed deserve minority status.

Wow...way to live and let live Jerry

Jerry Falwell -

If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth.

So in essence anything opposed is unnacceptable. Aren't Christians supposed to try to evangelize and then let the other go on his way?

Jerry Falwell -

If you don't want a Christian nation, then go to one of the many nations that are heathen already, rather than perverting ours.

You're welcome to come, but leave your religions, your bibles, all your other things back where you came from.

If I am not mistaken, America is the land of the free NOT the land of the free (Christian)

D. James Kennedy -

This is our land. This is our world. This is our heritage, and with God's help, we shall reclaim this nation for Jesus Christ. And no power on earth can stop us.

If this isn't fighting words I don't know what is

Joseph Morecraft -

Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol.

Another divine message on tolerance

James Watt -

My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns.

An occupation? That doesn't sound fair to the rest who have an equal right to live here

Look...I could do this for hours and I did this now to prove a point. Christianity (not the belief but the religion) has sponsored and started wars and inquisitions in the past. They preach tolerance and murder those who don't believe their way. I know Islam has its extremists but for love of whatever you believe is holy do these words look like those of tolerance to you? If we want to get rid of religious extremism then let's start with Christianity. Forget that...actually why don't we begin by releasing the crimes some Christians have commited. "Let's not murder abortion doctors, let's stop telling gays they can't be equal to heterosexuals, and let's stop having our leaders preach this filth and intolerance."

That is what I would say as a Christian leader if I was one.

The point is, every cult, religion, race, gender or any other type of classification you can think of has its bad examples and their good. Perhaps we shouldn't judge lest we ourselves be judged.

Sounds familiar but man it has been a long time since I have seen it in practice and I mean this on ANY side not just Christians.

EDITED FOR UNCLOSED TAGS

-Kyo

[edit on 18-6-2009 by KyoZero]



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 12:48 PM
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...and you honestly think that those particular individuals speak for the majority of Christianity? Somehow I doubt it. Nor do I think that various Islamic fundimentalists speak for the vast majority of Muslims.

This truely is getting just a bit rediculous, not to mention repetitive...

Tolerance. Or lack there of...



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 12:50 PM
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“How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, "Yes, they are."
Pat Robertson In His Book “The New World Order”



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 12:51 PM
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Again seagull we are only looking into it. We are trying the spirits if you will. Did you read my post above? This is not intolerance it is just questioning what this religion is about. The Christian aspect of extremism is real too i guess. The thing that gets me is that the more I look into it the more it seems people are being led to believe that Islam should be embraced. It is more prevalent now then ever and increasing. It seems we are being blind sided.


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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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I really don't see the problem with the call to prayer being broadcast on loudspeakers across Hamtramck, If you went there, or even Dearborn you would understand that there is a lot of Muslim businesses and people that live there.

Again, for the detractors of this, please I beg you to read the constitution. Particularly the part about religious freedoms in this country.

It just might help you to remember that we do live in a society that is supposed to be based on freedom of religion.

Some people in this country worship a giant owl, some worship a big fat guy, some worship the dollar, some worship a carpenter.

Does it make any difference?



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 01:10 PM
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I don't think that any religious group should be ringing bells or broadcasting the call to prayer at 6am or 10pm.

I think that the local noise ordinance should restrict such activities so that they would be allowed from 8am to 8 pm.

If I lived next to any institution that had to ring bells and/or broadcast amplified messages 5 times a day, I'd move. I don't want to listen to your bells and/or messages.

Perhaps that's why I live in the country.



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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Seagull...

nowhere in that post did I say or represent that I believed Jerry Falwell is your majority.

"The point is, every cult, religion, race, gender or any other type of classification you can think of has its bad examples and their good. Perhaps we shouldn't judge lest we ourselves be judged. "

This is drectly from that

My point was and again I will say that each sect or organization has it's bad members. I never said the majority of Christians think like this.

I am a pagan...I know for a fact I have some bad pagans in this world. There are pagans who think they know everything and those who do it to be cool.

So again...my point was to say that these Islamic sayings are just like Christian ones...horrid but by no means the ideas of the main populace

-Kyo



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Christian's churh bells, Muslims' 'athan', or Buddhists' humms. These are not annoying sounds. These sounds are calming and beautiful to the meditative minds.

These sounds are only annoying to the shallow minds. Those minds that didn't bother making a fuss on the streets when sound pollutions such as from constructions or loud musics are clearly annoying.

If you can, try this: Every time you hear the word 'Allah', which is an arabic word, replace it with the word 'God' and you will have no real problems as long as you are not an atheist on a mission.



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 02:22 PM
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I could really live with that. Think I could get the choir two lots down to start doing the Ahdan rather than their constant atonal "Wecome... to praise... the lerd!" practice?



posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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Come on for Christs sake think about it will you.

We are a nation of 350 million people of all religions and none... we have a long standing tradition of tolerance (honored unfortunately in its absence sometimes but at least the ideal is there)... No one is going to invade us and force their religious laws down our throats...

I mean really... the whole issue is a supposition.

For it to happen our system would have to be crumbling already and that is true for the Christian Reconstructionists as well.

Use your brain.



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posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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If I lived next to any institution that had to ring bells and/or broadcast amplified messages 5 times a day, I'd move. I don't want to listen to your bells and/or messages.


That right there is a good argument.
I can agree with that.

If you took out the religious portion of the problem it would make more sense to not like it. Least it wouldn't seem racist.

I myself would hate some a hole blasting ANYTHING at 5 AM.



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