Originally posted by Rook1545
The Muslim God is the same God that the Jews and Christians pray to.

That's wrong.

The Christians pray to a Trinity God. Father. Son. Holy Spirit.
Christ is God.

The Muslims and the Jews do not have a Trinity God.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

The Gods (or gods) are not the same at all.

Originally posted by blupblup
Or perhaps playing John Lennon's Imagine over the church bells.... that would be cool.

Yes, though you'd need an amazing carillon to get the Cmaj7 chord in the second bar of the verse.

Next move for them, impose an islamic school, and then a halal market, and then what?

I don't remember Christians disturbing muslims in Saudi Arabia with their churches. they simply cannot build them.

Where's the win-win situation? Muslims have hidden behind their traditions for too long, they gotta evolve and do something to fade in with the local folks, not trace a religious line between John and Ahmed... It's soooooo full of hypocrisy trhat makes me sick

anyway, who gives a damn? every guy with a brain understands that you can't believe in that crap. Walking on water or rising from the dead is a little far-fetched.
Every religion is stupid. No, my fellow ATSers, i don't give a damn about your sensitivity, because I am sooooo disappointed by the way religion hampers our path to the Ultimate Knowledge.

Alright then. Let's all bury our heads in the sand and pretend that we are not being forced to accept the eventual invasion of the very same ideology that we know will be our demise. How far will we let it go? When our women are forced to wear curtains from head to toe so we don't insult our new neighbors? As we listen to the muslim call to prayer five times a day and pretend it doesn't bother us because we are held to a higher standard here.

Well guys, I guess you know what this calls for... there's only one way to combat this issue. All churches in all countries - especially the muslim countries need to throw out the church bells and replace it with a 5 minute Christian country 'n western song. Then sit back, pump up the volume and just "MwuAhahaAAaaaa!"

OBVIOUSLY I'm just kidding so hold off the beheadings and crucifixtions :p

Wow this is all still going on.

Being nice and trying to approach things equitably just doesn't seem to work - so let's try this.

I'll keep my mouth shut about mosques doing calls to prayer in my neighborhood when I have the right to vacation in Saudi Arabia, walking down the street, half naked, carrying a gallon of vodka, in a shirt that says "Jesus was a porn star", while paying local women singles as they disrobe publically for my amusement and their financial gain.

If they can bring Islam to Daytona Beach then we can bring Spring Break to Riyadh. Right?

This is the 21st century. There is no need for this call to prayer to be broadcast (or for Church bells to alert christians). Buy a watch.

Originally posted by Rook1545

Originally posted by mapsurfer_
Agreed. That is the equivalent of christian church bells ringing in a Muslim city somewhere in the world. While I am all for religious freedoms, there is certain respect that religions need to adhere to, in order to avoid provoking civil strife.

Which they arlready do. There are plenty of Christian churches in Muslim countries and they ring their bells. No one has a problem with it.

It is manufactured civil strife. People fear and hate what they don't understand. This is really no different than some churches playing 2-3 minute long songs on thier bells, or towns with clock towers playing songs every hour (I have one of these in my town).

Ask Israelis if they like being woke up at 6am to a blasting screaming Arab every morning. If they did this in my town I would remove that loud speaker just so it didn't wake me up every morning. Its noise pollution and cities have noise ordnances.

Church bells are soothing but a screaming Arab not so. We cant have signs of Christianity in any government places during Christmas yet they get to blast their prayer over a loud speaker everyday through out the whole city.

If this is allowed then everyone in the town needs to wake up at 5:45 am and open their windows and turn on their car stereos and home stereos to Metalica and blast it as loud as they can and go back to bed.

Hey you gotta admit though, Muslims are the perfect sandpaper to be used all around the world to cause division. The sad thing is that the poor souls dont even know how much they're being used for that exact purpose.

I personally don't see what the issue is.

I have absolutely no problem with hearing the Muslim call to prayer any more than I do church bells... or any other calling to prayer and worship.

I had a big long post about how reading a few pages of this thread was like beating your head against a really stupid, ignorant and terrified brick wall...

...but this thread and the topic being discussed both show the most basic issue here: People are incredibly ignorant concerning the things which they are so obviously terrified of.

Stop hiding behind the collective result of religion/ignorance and maybe you will stop being nervous about anothers tradition and start to know the 'different' people.

I would have thought that people would be happy to live where unfamiliar tradition can be as close as down the road.

I guess that only counts if their space-baby wrote the same book yours did.

edit: Nevermind. I was frustrated.

Let me just change this to read: A large number of posts on this thread make me very sad.

[edit on 6/17/0909 by spines]

Personally I'm agnostic in 2 ways (i.e: the concept of god needs to be defined first and we don't really have the methods to verify his or her or it's existence)

Having said that, here are my views:

1.: Church bells vs Call to Prayer isn't the same.
The church bells basically ring every hour (and most afaik even do at quarter / half past an hour)

If I were to play a note on my guitar, that does not equal someone using vocals, because vocals carry meaning, the guitar, just carries a sound.

A muslim chanting stuff about his believes is not the same as a random priest or w/e you want to call him ringing a bell.

2.: It is funny how people say "Oh you shouldn't care because all those gods are the same".

I have a very simply question for you that think that way:

If their Gods are the same anyway, why have a call to prayer? Why not just let the muslims conform to Christianity or ''switch'' to become a Jew if they're all following the same god anyway?
I mean the church bells are already there, so it would be less of a hassle to just go follow the church bells instead of promoting some guy to loud-speaker to ''call people to pray''.