as long as the bullhorning is privately ran, i see no problem as long as it does not disturb residential areas

in the public we are allowed to bull horn if we choose, example : alex jones

some places may require permits, but with some cash that is usually very easy to get your hands on (you do need $)

i could care less if they bull horn spaghetti monster dogma lol

When I stayed in Istanbul for several months, the call to prayers was new for me.

There they have them five times a day, and it's not always at the same times each day -- the times are based on the moon or the planets or something. All the mosques know the times for a given day, but they each go by their own local clocks which are always a few seconds off fom each other. So, there's this time-lag going on, and then the echos start reverberating far and wide, and the energy is undeniable ...

Most people just stop whatever they're doing and listen or pray along or whatever -- quite strange to see for me, a lifelong American.

Exactly the same situation regarding the time-lags and echoes as one has in a European city, say like Amsterdam, and their church bells ...

Very different 'energy' though, and to be honest I'm not sure which I like best ...

At the very least, concerning the call to prayers, for a minute or so, several times a day, everybody in that town of 10-million people gets somewhere very near on the 'same wavelength' ...

Imagine that !

Originally posted by seagull


They don't come pounding on my door to proselytize/witness.

awesome post seagull, but i wanna debate this sentence for fun

Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are well known for going door to door witnessing.

However, its totally legal and accepted in our society. These door to door witnesses are quite respectful and tolerant,and if you ask them to leave, they will quickly get off your property. True facts.

They are good people, and their door to door tactics never bothered me as i love to argue with them

Tolerance and Freedom are what makes our nation so great

How fast would I end up on an Islamic Jihadist website, getting my head cut off, if I opened a church in say Saudi Arabia and demanded that I ring my church bells for all to hear? Shall we take a guess?

Originally posted by KSPigpen
Yeah, I'm sorry, Mr. Quick to condemn my beliefs. Don't tell me who I should give praise to. How arrogant. I don't call my God Allah, jehosephat, simon or pickle monster. Don't tell me who I should sing praises to.

If you have that attitude, take your call to prayer out in the desert with you where the rest of us don't have to listen to it. I am perfectly FINE with you praying to whomever you choose, provided you don't force it on me. Then we have an issue.

It may very well be one god, and I have argued for that numerous times, but don't EVER think you have the right to tell me what I should call him, or how I should worship him.

If I have to listen to some RUBBISH telling me four or five times a day that there is nothing worthy of worship but ALLAH, I will barf and probably get a little anti social.

You're a laugh riot. You call someone else quick to condemn, yet you shoot off your mouth, spewing your own special brand of bigotry and inorance. The reason you don't call YOUR god Allah, is because YOU don't speak Arabic. If you did, even as a Christain, you would call him Allah.

It is your right to call it rubbish, but personally I hate having to listen to YOUR Christmas music. It is stupid and pointless. I hate hearing it in stores, I hate hearing it on the radio, I hate hearing it on commercials. YOUR music, celebrating YOUR religious beliefs, should be completely banned from being played in public.

See what I did there, I acted like you and got all holier than thou. It goes both ways.

This is both ridiculous and disgusting. And that goes for Christian church bells as well. They are both methods of calling the sheep in to be shorn and butchered. Church bells do not belong in modern society and some tone deaf sheep singing a redundant meaningless song is as well.

When will people wake up from this religious nightmare. Nearly 1 billion people are reported to have no religious faith, thats quite a voice, but sure enough these absurd religions like Christianity, Judaism, and Islam still have all the rights.

It is not right that they get to spread their religions, while telling us who do not believe in fairy tales that we need to accept it and keep quiet.
When will people realize that religion and dogma is the human downfall.

Freedom of religion was meant to be practiced privately. And by this obvious public invasion, it is like having Jehovas Witness or Mormon Missionaries to have the right to walk right into your house and spread their garbage uninvited. And there is nothing you could do about it.

Bring the heat, because I have my flam retardant suit on!

I think the saddest thing about this thread is that people don't understand that current America is not a nation of any one religion. Christianity and Islam are religions in our country that all kinds of people take part in. This is not a Christian nation, so there's no need to favor Christianity over Islam, unless you are doing what many Muslims do to Christians in other countries, how very "godly" of you. Also, people clearly do not understand the word "Allah" which is puzzling and depressing. It's just the Arabic word for God.

well you know what you can do with your religion. but i'll tell you i'd rather hear this than 50cent pumping loudly up and down the street 1,000 times out of a 1,000.

Originally posted by jackflap

How fast would I end up on an Islamic Jihadist website, getting my head cut off, if I opened a church in say Saudi Arabia and demanded that I ring my church bells for all to hear? Shall we take a guess?

So are you stating that you would like to have religious freedom laws just like that have in Saudi Arabia? My, my holding ourselves up to a high standard there aren't we? Aspiring to be like Saudi Arabia when it come to religious tolerance. Nice. Just because they do it, why would it make it right if we did the same?

I don't get the big deal, I thought we were a country that was tolerant of other religions. I guess I was wrong. Hamtramck, a town I am quite familiar with, now has a sizable Muslim community, why would you deny them the right to worship as they see fit? Maybe we shouldn't allow them to wear their native style of dress too?