reply to post by ROBL240
And quite frankly I respect that as well were it real
If Satanism is your way then I would gladly accept your music...thing is I would rather nobody doit
no bells...no chants...may not be nice but it is fair and impartial
-Kyo
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reply to post by KyoZero
I hear you KyoZero. I know the intolerance shown among religions is sickening. I finally grasped the whole thing after reading through the posts on
the subject. I do know that these differences people have will culminate in something awful. I mean is that what it is going to take for us to see
what we are doing to each other? I have to admit, when I first heard about the whole call to prayer thing I immediately went on the offensive. I had
to post it and start rallying people to see what the Muslims were doing. The more I read the more I realized that these things are going kill us all.
How do you allow religious freedom if people do not respect others religious freedom? Which is what is happening. The Muslims want to broadcast
prayers, the Christians want to ring bells. What do we do? Regardless of noise ordinances and stuff along these lines it is coming. They broadcast
prayers in Michigan and California now. I am telling you I believe we are all being set up for a huge confrontation at our own doing because we have
all been fed a bunch of crap for way too long. It is right in front of our eyes.
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During the Friday prayer (Salat Al Jumu'ah), there are two adhans; the first is to call the people to the mosque, the second is said before the Imam
begins the khutbah (sermon). Just before the prayers start, someone amongst the praying people recites the iqama as in all prayers. The basis for this
is that at the time of the Caliph Umar he ordered 2 adhans to be made, the first of which was to be made in the marketplace to inform the people that
the Friday prayer was soon to begin, and the second adhan would be the regular one held in the mosque. Not all Sunnis prefer two adhans as the need
for warning the people of the impending time for prayer is no longer essential now that the times for prayers are well known.
Wikipedia Link
Azaan/Adhan is the muslim call for prayer used 5 times a day for informing people that it's time for prayer.
It was used in the old days to let people know that it was time for prayer. Back then, they didn't have loudspeakers, TVs, watches, radios. The only
way people could know about the prayer was when the Muazzin stood on the minaret and recited those words in a son tune.
The tradition is still used today even though no one really needs to know the time. People either have watches, radio, tv, internet, cellphones, etc.
that tell them time of prayer. In this modern age, Azaan is not required but people still do it because it's tradition.
While I agree that people should have their rights to follow their tradition, religion, culture, etc. I do not agree with the mosque here.
The right course of action would be to find out in what radius can the azaan be heard? Then everyone who lives in that radius should be asked if they
are ok with it. If even 1 person is not ok with the azaan being recited on the loudspeaker, then they should not do it. It's not about muslim country
or christian neighborhood. Its about people respecting other people's opinion especially when that other person pays to live in that area.
I do not see why they need to recite it on the loudspeaker. I have seen many mosques who turn off their loudspeakers and recite the azaan so it can be
heard in the mosque only.
I am muslim btw.
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If bell ringing is acceptable there, then let them get their own bell.
I guarantee you - you'll never, ever, hear that crap down south where I live.
Never.
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reply to post by jackflap
The more I read the more I realized that these things are going kill us all. How do you allow religious freedom if people do not respect others
religious freedom? Which is what is happening. The Muslims want to broadcast prayers, the Christians want to ring bells.
There is no equivalency between call to prayer and ringing of bells. I have over a years experience listening to call to prayer in an African country.
It's nothing like bells, bells are pretty and can be ignored. The Imam's rant is an irritation. Nothing nice about it. He's telling you to prey to
Allah or else, ie. you're going to Hell or whatever. Not a nice thought.
Islam is a comparatively primative religion (it emphasizes the saving of the sole above all else. Koran is the only book necessary, technology is not
important, etc.). The call to prayer is also outdated. Who needs to be reminded to go pray? Your cell phone can do that! Why irritate the general
population unnecessarily?
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Originally posted by Rook1545
There are plenty of Christian churches in Muslim countries and they ring their bells. No one has a problem with it.
Very true. On my last trip to Jakarta I sat one evening on a balcony with a friend listening to a very loud and boisterous church service in a
building several doors down the street as the sound of dozens of "Azans" filled the air coming in from many different directions. The problem isn't
churches in Islamoworld or mosques in Hooterville. It's white racist christians who have deluded themselves into believing their rights are superior
to anyone who dares to be different.
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I've been living in an area where a Muslim mosque is about one block away from where I live. I cannot tell you how many times I have been awoken at
4:30 in the morning (that's right, 4:30 AM), because of the mosque's boisterous calls. Honestly, sometimes I cannot even think when they go off.
I don't care if you're religious or not--these constant "prayer calls" throughout the day are a constant nuisance, mostly because they're done
through a loudspeaker, run anywhere from 5-8 times daily AND because they go on for anywhere from 3-5 minutes, if you're lucky. From my experience
with this mosque, the times they broadcast aren't exact (they can be off from anywhere from 10-30 minutes) and the frequency per day is variable. I
tried coming up with a schedule one day for when the calls were broadcast during the week, but they're never exact. (I really don't know why that
is, but that's what I've observed). Forget Muslim holidays though... at those times these mosques will broadcast their calls for anywhere from
15-30 minutes at a time.
For people doing their work, trying to study, or trying to FOCUS on anything at all, these calls are a disruption to anything within its sound range.
Some of my neighbors, who aren't Muslim, constantly complain about how these calls are affecting their lives, waking up their children at insane
times of the morning and they tell me they are just as bothered. They wonder how they got the permission to do so in the first place.
This has nothing to do with religion. This deals with bothering the general public surrounding the mosque. These calls are pretty loud and can span
a huge radius and are a great disruption to many people. This is why noise ordinances are put in place. This is exactly the same if someone blasted
their music on some high-end speakers at various times of the day without warning.
It doesn't matter if you're Muslim, Atheist, Christian, whatever... Can you honestly tell me that you would be able to sustain listening to these
constant "prayer calls" over a long period of time, many times throughout the day, WITHOUT thinking it was somewhat bothersome?
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Originally posted by RRconservative
Can't wait for the Christian protestors to gather and drown out the Satanic Muslim call to prayer, with a good old fashioned mass rendition of the
Lord's Prayer. It will happen.
Wow this is a DISGUSTING post. Some of you people on this site are so bigoted and VILE and disgusting. I noticed its mostly you religious people too,
you guys are some of the most angry and hateful people I have ever seen.
Let them have their prayers, sure its annoying, but so are the damn church bells, I've heard church bells all my life and I CANNOT STAND THEM! So I
can't see this being any more anoying than that
Satanic muslim call to prayer, lmao I laugh at you. I bet you talk with a ugly thick southern accent (not calling all southern accents bad, just the
ugly ones) and hate all people who are different than you (no offense to NON REDNECK southerners)
[edit on 5-7-2009 by InfectedWithDevils]
[edit on 5-7-2009 by InfectedWithDevils]
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I get woken up every Sunday morning by the Church bells ringing in my ears. I just lie there wondering why they bother. Its not like people dont know
where the church is. Some of us who dont believe in religion would like a lie in on a sunday.
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reply to post by woodwardjnr
Try being joulted 5X a day beginning at 4:30 by an irritating scratchy, disgusting rendition of some poorly vocally endouded Imam booming in your ear!
You will begin to appreciate church bells a lot more!
I did the "call to prayer" for a year. I'll take bells anytime!
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