Muslim Call To Prayer In Your Hometown, page 1
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Topic started on 16-6-2009 @ 11:39 AM by jackflap
I heard of this about four months ago. I did a search here at ATS to read a few opinions about it but found nothing. I decided to bring it here as I value the opinions of those who are on ATS.

Next month, Hamtramck will become one of the few cities in the United States where the Islamic call to prayer is broadcast onto public streets. The impact of that decision is reverberating across the nation. Loudspeakers on an old brick building in Hamtramck have become a symbol of the struggle between tolerance and tradition, and raise questions about what it means to be American. Bisera Vlahovljak, a Muslim who moved to Hamtramck 10 years ago from Bosnia said the call to prayer is about religious freedom. “This is why I came to America,” she said. “I think more people should be respectful of others’ traditions.”


What in the world is going on? I read that some people liken it to hearing church bells at certain times. I don't think so.

Council members have received hundreds of e-mails and telephone calls from across the United States, complaining about the ruling. Council member Ahmed said people don’t realize that less than half of the Muslims in Hamtramck are from the Middle East. Most are from Bangladesh, with other large Muslim contingents from Bosnia and Somalia. “When there’s something new, people are afraid to change,” Ahmed said. “But as a government official, I don’t see we could do anything differently.” The Rev. Stanley Ulman lives in a home and is the pastor of the Catholic church, St. Ladislaus, across the street from al-Islah Islamic Center. He thinks the discussion about the prayer calls moved from noise to religion because some community members don’t want to see their neighborhood change.


I know where I stand on this. What do you think?

www.amren.com...

On April 14, 2004 The Associated Press reported, "A request by Muslims to allow mosques to use loudspeakers for the call to prayer has prompted a backlash among some of their mostly white, Christian neighbors. They are circulating a petition opposing the request by the Al-Islah Islamic Center for a change in the city noise ordinance. The Muslim call to prayer occurs five times a day between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. 'When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of the United States, I don't want to hear it,' Bob Golen, 68, said at a City Council hearing Tuesday. Caroline Zarski, 81, agreed. 'It is not my God. My God is Jesus Christ. I don't want this noise invading my home at 10 p.m.,' she said. Still, Council President Karen Majewski said the proposed amendment is likely to pass next week in this separate municipality inside Detroit. Muslim speakers said they often hear church bells as early as 6 a.m. They said the call to prayer would be less noisy."


pluralism.org...

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reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 12:51 PM by FlyersFan
This will make Obama happy.
He said that the Muslim Call To Prayer was the 'prettiest sound on earth'.

He said that in a New York Times article entitiled - Obama, Man of the World. The author of the piece was Nicholas D. Kristof.

Obama chanted it for Kistoff and Kistoff said that Obama chanted it in perfect accent.

I'd link it for you ... but the New York Times has scubbed the story from it's website. Gee ... wonder why?

Islam On Line Here are the words -

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.

Allah is the Greatest, Allah is the Greatest.

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.

Allah is the Greatest, Allah is the Greatest.

Ash-hadu alla ilaha illa-llah.

I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah.

Ash-hadu alla ilaha illa-llah.

I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah.

Ash-hadu anna Muhammadar-Rasulullah.

I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

Ash-hadu anna Muhammadar-Rasulullah.

I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah

Hayya ‘ala-s-Salah, hayya ‘ala-s-Salah.

Hasten to the Prayer, hasten to the Prayer.

Hayya ‘ala-l-falah, hayya ‘ala-l-falah.

Hasten to real success, hasten to real success

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.

Allah is the Greatest, Allah is the Greatest.

La ilaha illa-llah

There is none worthy of worship but Allah.



reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 12:54 PM by jackflap
reply to post by Rook1545



Hearing church bells and hearing someone rant in another language are two different things. Try this link and listen. Imagine that noise bellowing throughout your hometown.

atheists.groups.vox.com...

You have to be kidding me.


reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 01:50 PM by rogerstigers
reply to post by jackflap



I dunno. I kind of like it. If the guy doing the call can carry a tune, no worries. I have a bhuddist temple and (way to many) churches with bells in my area. Doesn't bother me any.



reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 01:51 PM by KSPigpen
reply to post by FlyersFan



I appreciate you letting us know what the words mean. I'm afraid I would have had a more accepting disposition if I didn't know.

Bells are fine. Slightly annoying sometimes, but at least it is a universal sound. It's music. You may not like it, but it's not a different language, infringing on my right to worship whatever God I choose.

Knowing the words, I would have to shield my ears and go 'lalalalalalala' real loud because it says my God is not worthy of being worshiped.

I don't like it one bit. Bad juju.


reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 02:16 PM by eradown
reply to post by jackflap

I have nothing against either church bells or Muslim prayer calls. These are calming. Most of the programing we recieve is negative such as the impatient people honking their horns and cussing because those in front of them will not speed or drive dangerously. It is about time someone put something out designed to uplift.


reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 02:19 PM by eradown
reply to post by KSPigpen



The translation seems off. There is none worthy of worship but Allah usually is translated into English as there is no God but God.


reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 02:20 PM by jackflap
reply to post by eradown



I would have nothing against this either if the people who were heeding this call to prayer were not told in the same breath to kill anyone who will not believe what they do. Look it up and you'll find out. Beyond this point I really do not think I would like hearing this four or whatever times a day.


reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 02:37 PM by jjkenobi
reply to post by Jigore



Oh there definitely is a double standard. We are constantly told to accept and embrace the differing viewpoints and beliefs of others... unless they are legal-citizen-white-Christian.


reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 02:52 PM by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by Hefficide



So we cant have prayer in schools, people cant say god or jesus in their speeches at college or highschool graduations.......but we can blare a call to prayer on on loudspeakers because its muslim?

Im sorry did i miss something here? I think this whole "were so sorry , were bad Americans" and special interest BS is getting out of hand......time to grow a pair


*edit for reply* sorry Heff this wasnt a reply to you in particular i hit the wrong reply button

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