Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

reply to post by octotom

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I've read about 14 books or so on the subject and the dates range from Jul 7 th - July 12th 2009.

The most common date I saw noted was July 9, 2009. That is supposed to be exactly 1260 days (the reign of the Anti-christ as being the catalyst) prior to 12-21-2012.

At least that's what I read. There are different dates all over the place because there are some scientists/researchers that differ on when the Mayan Calendar actually ends. Then, of course, which prophet you choose to believe also determines the dates.

**But I've said this all along: We are all saying the same thing and different dates only months or days apart mean nothing when they all have the same outcome!!

so let me get this straight.

The theory holds that the past event doesn't have to be particularly significant, to correlate with a later significant event.

So any significant event that occurs, we can just go back to the correlating timespan and find any old 2-bit battle or something, and hold it up as evidence of correlation??

Come on people-- kintergarten kids would see through this horse manure.

Next topic please...

Unfortunately our new vibration will not support these types of thought forms to exist. There are other places which will be more adaptive to your attitude.

i've eaten now so the blood-sugar is up and i am in more clement mood.

but i still say the whole thing's hokey.

reply to post by eniac

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I'm sure you're aware that Evasius has put a massive amout of time and effort into all his threads, as you will have read them all....right? To dismiss his work as horse manure is really immature, and downright rude actually. Dismiss it if you like....I'm not saying that you have to agree with anything....but at least be respectful to someone who has worked so hard on this.

Perhaps you would like to quote your sources, and put forward more of your own theory of how it all *doesn't* fit? One example isn't really enough.

This is all an investigation. No-one is preaching this subject as gospel, least of all Evasius.

reply to post by eniac

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Haven't you ever heard the saying:

"History repeats itself."

That saying exists for a reason (because it's true). This just makes it into a graph.

Thank you very much for your hard work on this.This Time Wave is something else.I also believe that if something happens on Dec 21 2012 it will be the end of the world so to speak.The end of the world as we now know it.Be it ET contact or the activation of the first time machine it'll be something wonderful

the theory, as presented, is plainly ridiculous, and I frankly find it worrying that a certain number of people will swallow it. it's important that humbug theories are called out as such, particularly when they're allied with subtlety. And this is subtle: a load of impressive-looking graphs and solid-seeming 'research', plenty of dates, facts and figures, which can snow-blind the unwary.

It's downright dangerous to have people running around believing these stupid theories. Worrying about the 'end of the world' in 2012: God knows what some lunatics will do as 'The Date' draws near. Remember Heavens' Gate around the turn of the millenium??

Moreover, the failed, drink-soaked shyster who first dreams up these theories (not the OP-- I don't doubt his/her bona fides, though I believe them profoundly misguided) laughs all the way to the bank. Which I find offensive.

reply to post by Spirit Warrior

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Are you sure the "surprise attack" on Pearl Harbor was really a "surprise attack"?

There are sources that confirm Roosevelt knew it was pending, even to date, only the commander of Pearl Harbor was not informed about it. It suited R agenda of entering WW II. It was a calculated sacrifice. It made Americans "angry" and "berserk".

It's a great topic, and the posts covering this are many. Your post here www.abovetopsecret.com... while interesting and all, is relatively the same subject and graphs. It's not my place to make a recommendation, but I would suggest it be covered in depth on it's own website, with particularly interesting noteworthy references made here on ATS, rather than reposting and reposting what is essentially the same TWZ info.

That being said, I also have a question. I noticed on the DOS screen that there is an apparent input for the zero point. If I am correct in this assumption, the zero point is flexible, and could be set at any date other than 2012. Does the graph determine the 2012 end zero date, or is it an input from the computer operator?

(I was wondering if Blossom Goodchild and her hoary band of soothsayers were privy to this new foretelling of worldwide change?:lol

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reply to post by ActuallyActuary

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No man, what people need is an "interpretation" of events...

Understanding history is the point here. That's what this is about.

Understanding.

Knowledge.

You do know that Terrence McKenna is dead, don't you? What do you know about him that persuades you to label him with this description? Again....pass on your sources and we can discuss.

Thanks for the effort putting this post up Evasius, I think many of us have been waiting for it!!

Terrence Mckenna was one of the most eloquent visionarys of our time. I think everyone should take some time to find some of his talks, and ramblings. But not to jump to conclusions about him or what he says. He expressed his ideas so well and its like he opened himself to the impossible and absurd and was able to bring it all together in a way that makes so much sense, that its just common sense.
(I didn't find out he had died until checked where i could find him for an interview. jeez louise it was like loosing a friend that i had never met.)

Time Wave Zero should be taken with every thing in mind IMO. Everything.
The singularity is probably a point when we will. Everything we know and we still don't, will dawn on us at this point.

The speed of which we are learning more things about everything is exponentially increasing over the next few years. Something has got to come out of it, its inevitable.

so we should enjoy the ride, stay in vehicle though.

June 28th 1389 Turks destroyed Serbian army at Kosovo Field and the doors for their spread into Europe were open (not so quickly though). Turkish sultan Murat was killed, and his son Bayezid took over (kiling his brother Yakub). After that he was defeated at Angora by Tamerlan (1402).

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Evasius

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Well holy cow... you just started this thing and it's already well into the 5th page!

This is an interesting topic and I look forward to keeping up with it to see how things pan out ~ as well as learning things along the way.

Thank you Evasius for all your 'time' and efforts.

Out of all the topics that float around on ATS the Timewave Zero theory interest me the most. I am unaware of any predictions prestented on ATS coming to fruition, but TWZ has potential. If the variables can be isolated and observed, then maybe accurate predictions could be made and we can shoot the curl and ride this wave.

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I had no idea... how could I? Why would I know who he is?? Why would I waste energy on this stuff?? Why would anyone, is what I can't figure out.

What sources do you want?? An academic paper, perhaps, refuting a theory which selectively takes events of (Western) historical significance, then searches a specific timespan for anything which remotely resembles it. You don't need a paper to refute that- common sense will suffice.

The theory affirms itself. If you want to find 'evidence' for correlation between wars, you won't find many periods of given time in human history where there haven't been wars. Same with plague. Same with innovation. Same with all general 'events'.


And besides, what is an 'event'? Is the Space Age an event? The Nuclear Age? When was the defining moment for the latter-- perhaps the date that Radium was isolated, or the date that some German chemist first crunched the numbers to figure out the potential for nuclear energy. Or maybe it was the day that the first prototype exploded in Los Alamos, or the day that the Little Boy went down.

I'll tell you the defining moment that a proponent of this theory would cite: whichever coincided best with whatever remote event they wanted to correlate it with. And we're spanning the thick end of a century there.


In any case, it's up to the proponents to win around the skeptics by citing successful predictions/correlations, not the other way around. Otherwise we'd just swallow anything. Which some people around here seem to do anyway. Asking me for 'sources' to refute the theory is getting the whole thing backasswards.

Sorry-- it's a Fail. Big time Fail.

reply to post by eniac

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I guess if you didn't know that Terrence McKenna is dead, then it's fair to say that you haven't really investigated this subject too deeply, as this is usually one of the first facts to surface about him and his work, and it's really very sad that he's no longer around.

I didn't expect academic anything from you, or anyone else....I thought maybe you would be willing to be a little more precise in your criticisms, and work on some of the actual alignments talked about here. It's ok if you don't want to, but I think that we have bickered back and forth enough to spoil the thread and should leave it here. Again, this thread is all about investigation, not gospel, and my belief is that the sceptic also has a responsibility to investigate. Relying on the believer for proof will never work from your mindset, and is just lazy.

Why not start another thread about debunking this, and we can leave Evasius alone here for something more constructive?

Actually I still follow and there has been talk. Won't derail, but I believe the Mayans, the I-Ching and even Blossom's 'friends' are/were simply trying to assist us all in raising our vibrations so we can usher in this transition in the most beneficial way for humanity.

reply to post by Evasius

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The graqhs seem to explain the progress of the End of the NWO.

Look for a lil 'bump' from the 'people' to upset this agenda.

This bump will ultimately become of a shove and then all hell breaks loose. After the storm, the people will start anew with a new respect for one another. They 'realized' they were all in the same fishbowl of ignorance being fed by 'another'.

Who would have thought?

Makes one wonder how humans, as a whole, ever earned the term homo-sapien. It's seems quite absent though I see a swell just ahead and the coast is receding. Any idea what's next? If you don't see it by now, you do feel it? Of course you do. We all have a Choice.

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