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Originally posted by JohnySeagull
reply to post by truthseekr1111
I'm sorry your confused.
You gave your full explanation of 'Discarnates'. I have read this,
From the off I have simply been looking for a link to 'Discarnates' where I can find more information on where this knowledge came from.
Thank you.
Originally posted by crankyoldman
The problem for most people is they are in the present moment at the wrong times. They don't seem to go back far enough in their list of choices to see where the choice they made led to the thing that is happening in the moment. Cancer is a virus, many cancers come built into vaccines. When a man of 40 says, "I've taken care of myself, the cancer must be fate, it was written" he forgets to remember the vaccine he took as a child, that took 40 years to manifest. The choice was there, the fate was there. The two are not in conflict.
Everything that has happened, is happening and ever will happen to you is because you chose it. There is no other truth.
Originally posted by crankyoldman
reply to post by Zagari
Zagari, it is both. The idea that freewill and fate are at odds is a misunderstanding of how things actually work. We'll look at a simple answer that intertwines both. You decide to go to an amusement park on Saturday - choice. You decide to wait inline to take a roller coaster ride - choice. You strap yourself into the seat and the coaster takes off - choice now becomes fate. The coaster must finish it's 2 minute ride and you cannot get off. The freewill was accessed the entire time, but the moment you committed to the set in stone experience of a coaster, you handed things over to fate.
The problem for most people is they are in the present moment at the wrong times. They don't seem to go back far enough in their list of choices to see where the choice they made led to the thing that is happening in the moment. Cancer is a virus, many cancers come built into vaccines. When a man of 40 says, "I've taken care of myself, the cancer must be fate, it was written" he forgets to remember the vaccine he took as a child, that took 40 years to manifest. The choice was there, the fate was there. The two are not in conflict.
Everything that has happened, is happening and ever will happen to you is because you chose it. There is no other truth.
Originally posted by truthseekr1111
freewill is an illusion. You think you have it.. but thats the illusion
You chose to act by the rules of pretending to have no freewill. The choice was made before you took on a body, you suspended the belief of freewill in order to play this game, but it is still there, you are free to leave at any time and go play another game. Freewill is the only truth, all else is an illusion, you have it backwards, or rather the program has it backwards. But, if it makes you feel better that you have no freewill then do so.
edit on 20-5-2011 by truthseekr1111 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Zagari
I officially convert myself to predetermined destiny theory. There is no chance for " chance " to exist in this world. Too many, TOO MANY events made me conclude that everything is written.
We have the power to choose yes or no. But what we do after saying yes or saying no is already written, depends all by the choice.
Originally posted by crankyoldman
reply to post by kapodistrias
"...the patterns are decided" before you enter a body, decided = chosen. This does not conflict with freewill at all, it simply means the choice is simply beyond what you can remember. There is no issue here with having freewill, the very thing the powers that be don't want you to know is that you have freewill and they have inserted god, government, laws, karma, and all other manner of obfuscation to prevent folks from seeing the truth = you ARE freewill, no one "has it" as that is stupid, you ARE freewill. TPTB fear that if you know this, you'll undoubtedly decide to this this floating prison planet for something more interesting - or not, as the choice is yours. Freewill is not something you earn, or loose, it is you, you are it and it is you, the only issue is whether you know it fully, partially or not at all.
That said this is all I wills say on the matter as this is a time wave thread and it should remain as such.
Originally posted by truthseekr1111
Originally posted by crankyoldman
reply to post by kapodistrias
First, the patterns have been designed, in the same way a human designs a computer program. There are overlords in this realm, and the have created the realm - so in a sense you are correct in the Freewill limitations. Think of it as a video game, folks who play agree to give up their Freewill for a simulated Freewill bound by the rules of the program. Your DNA is the programming, take some time and look at the "junk DNA" and see what it tells you.
"freewill cannot exist if there is a CREATOR"
This sort of logic is human logic. It is based on what has been learned and based on what one believes "reason" is. In another realm earth based reason makes no sense at all. That said, your quote here has one problem. The Creator is Freewill. if you are the Creator, and I agree that you and I are, then we are Freewill. If the Creator is not Freewill, then how does it create? Either way, it is all Freewill.
The notion of "design" suggests there is an end to the game and we must work toward it, but of course there is not. As Creator, you choose to not impede your evolutionary process and to be Creator you are in fact knowing that you must play both sides of the ball, you must give both sides equal unbiased weight and no limit to the expression, otherwise there would be no point. The issue with making blanket statements about everything, from a 3d point of view, even in the Buddha's case, is that you are limited in your understanding by what has been in programmed into your head, and what those programs tell you to think. A 7th density collective group perceives things very differently then a 3d density individual aspect. What they know to be Freewill is different than what we know it to be. Over time, each level of progression has you finding more and more of it. Or more accurately understanding what you are and what Freewill is as it relates to you. A rock does not know it has Freewill - it does though, a Plant knows a wee bit more, an animal a tiny bit more than a plant, a human a tiny bit more than an animal, a 7th density collective knows it has a lot of freewill and so on. BTW, one's Soul Matrix is MORE than aware of Freewill, it is just the personality that doesn't.
If we use Human created reasoning: Creator is Freewill, you are the Creator, therefor you are Freewill. There is no conflict with having Freewill, the idea just scares humans to death.
As it relates to Time wave. The patterns are those patterns that have been set up by those who created the realm. Again, think video game. Folk set up the realm, so that other folks could have an experience. Both use their Freewill to play the game. The programs, or rules of Earth-3d, are fairly specific and the ramifications of the rules can be found in Time wave. In the old video game Pacman, the game seemed to give the idea that it was random, till one day a player noticed a pattern, and what was a hard game, became easier once the pattern was figured out. But many still enjoyed the game without knowing the pattern, if one was inside the game the pattern would be altogether different - but the program would still be in charge. Time wave shows us the pattern, it does not show the actual events as they are experienced by the participants. Those who set up the system said, when things get to xyz, insert abc and make things move forward. They don't insert events per se, they insert energy designed to cattle prod one into moving forward - track the Solar action for guidance there. The earther human experience has one large flaw in it - folks get very, very sedentary. As a result, external stimulus is needed to keep things moving forward. Right now we are nearing the end of the game, folks have to wake up, and as the barkeep says "you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here anymore." Endgame.
We all choose to play the game, some are more aware of that deep execution of Freewill than others, but regardless, the choice is to play, just like playing Pacman, and once you leave here you'll look for another game to play - or not.
Originally posted by truthseekr1111
@zagari.. I'm curious about what you said last year regarding an october or was it november event? or was it a tipping point? I seem to recall you mentioning that it would be many times worse than 9/11 and there was a major drop? I asked you a question earlier this year about this but saw no response. While I understand it was something you interpreted to be for last year, im interested whether you addressed anything more about this since it appears this event (that didn't occur), seemed to elude something cataclysmic.
Originally posted by Intelligence101
reply to post by Zagari
I have to agree with that. I think there is an infinite conscious energy that has everything mapped out already from the beginning to the "end". I got my laptop and video camera stolen from me a week ago and I'm honestly not even that angry. At first I was but I keep telling myself "Everything happens for a reason it's all predetermined".
Originally posted by stereologist
Everybody is still claiming all sorts of changes in novelty, yet has anyone actually bothered to figure out what how to measure novelty? After 150 pages it seems it's the same old baloney of shoehorning events into this preconceived notion that this TWZ is anything more than a graph.