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Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

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posted on Dec, 3 2010 @ 06:49 PM
reply to post by theursprachist

I'm fascinated by this...What is your theory for Timewave point zero?

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 02:34 PM
reply to post by Zagari

This question becomes very easy to answer after we borrow some concepts from information theory. [ link 1 ]

N = ΔH = -Σp(x)logp(x) - ( -Σp(y)logp(y) ) = Σp(y)logp(y) - Ep(x)logp(x) and |Σp(x)logp(x)| > |Σp(y)logp(y)| .
Reads as "Novelty equals variation of entropy over time."
Then if N = 0 :
Σp(y)logp(y) = Σp(x)logp(x) != 0
or Σp(y)logp(y) = Σp(x)logp(x) = 0.
But if novelty increases over time and novelty is always below zero, that is, if novelty approaches zero over time :
then Σp(y)logp(y) = Σp(x)logp(x) = 0 is the only possible solution.

Therefore, if Σp(y)logp(y) = Σp(x)logp(x) = 0, then the least probable things will start happening when p(y) = p(x) = (near) zero. This happens inside a communications system when it becomes meaningless, i.e. noise.

Thus my theory is :
On 21/12/12 11:11:11:11... UTC, human language will become obsolete. Possible sucessors are psilocybin glossolalia , virtual reality or a mixture of both.

posted on Dec, 4 2010 @ 11:59 PM
reply to post by theursprachist

I start to think that the more we create prophecies/predictions for the Timewave dates, the thing we start to believe it will happen won't happen...
In fact on November 14 there wasn't a gigantic event.
And I guess since no one believes in 2012 prophecies something will happen right on that day...

In my life, since October 10 there are many unexpected events and conclusions...My life has been increasingly unexpected.

posted on Dec, 5 2010 @ 05:05 AM
reply to post by theursprachist

Are you familiar with Erik Verlinde?

At a symposium at the Dutch Spinoza-instituut on 8 December 2009 he introduced a theory that derives Newton's classical mechanics. This was followed by the publication of 'On the Origin of Gravity and the Laws of Newton' [1] on 6 January 2010. In his theory gravity exists because of a difference in concentration of information in the empty space between two masses and its surroundings; he also extrapolates this to General Relativity and quantum mechanics. He does not consider gravity as fundamental, but as an emergent phenomenon that arises from a deeper microscopic reality. He said in an interview with the newspaper de Volkskrant, "On the smallest level Newton's laws don't apply, but they do for apples and planets. You can compare this to pressure of gas. Molecules themselves don't have any pressure, but a barrel of gas has." See Gravity as an entropic force.

Gravity as entropic force

Fascinating stuff.

So novelty in language is the change in/difference in entropic frames of reference? Novelty in language is novelty in history...?

Gonna have to go back to read through your posts again, bears a second reading.


reply to post by theursprachist

But if novelty increases over time and novelty is always below zero, that is, if novelty approaches zero over time :
then Σp(y)logp(y) = Σp(x)logp(x) = 0 is the only possible solution.

Also, this sounds precisely like the way I interpret the phenomenon of Zero Point Energy. There is no such thing as a vacuum in the universe, because there is always an uncertainty/fuzz in space-time which means it 'moves' or 'vibrates' in a density approaching zero.

Which could be rolled into the theory of gravity as an emergent force through the entropic differences in space time...

Just thinking out loud.

Great stuff.
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posted on Dec, 5 2010 @ 08:42 AM
reply to post by beebs

I don't know actually, since Ur came here I don't understand a thing...
So...How is this linked to the Timewave Zero theory?
Can someone explain it in simple terms?

posted on Dec, 5 2010 @ 09:01 AM
reply to post by Zagari

Well, bringing language into the equation is paramount towards discerning any significance within a 'timewave' framework.

I must say, I am astonished it hasn't been integrated into it already... perhaps it has, but I was unaware(don't follow this thread as closely as I should)...

Ursprachist is applying mathematical theories and logic in an attempt to gauge novelty through language, which is perhaps the best measuring tool we have... I think Terrence would agree.

Language is a fundamental area in philosophy, because of its significance in our evolution, its relationship to our 'mind' or thoughts, and in mystical traditions and the 'occult' in general, if you don't mind that term. It is essential to our notion of 'history', and tracking the cycles of nature and time.

I am hoping Ursprachist comes back to elaborate further, as he or she is much further along this line of research than I am.

For general inquiries, you might find some information regarding some of the people Ursprachist mentioned here:

Also information theory:
information theory
wiki Information Theory

posted on Dec, 5 2010 @ 09:08 AM
I am sorry but I didn't undertand anything of what you wrote

Could you explain your point in simple and short terms, please?

Originally posted by theursprachist
reply to post by stereologist

See link 1 , link 2 , link 3 , link 4 , link 5 and link 6.

"resonating dates" are simply dates 64 days apart, 64 * 6 days apart, 64 * 6 * 64 days apart, 64 * 6 * 64 * 64 days apart , 64 * 6 * 64 * 64 * 6 days apart, 64 * 6 * 64 64 * 6 * 64 days apart, and so on.

"resonanting dates" are also dates 64/64 days apart, 64/(64 * 6 ) days apart, 64/(64 * 6 * 64 ) days apart, 64/( 64 * 6 * 64 * 64 ) days apart , 64/( 64 * 6 * 64 * 64 * 6 ) days apart , 64/( 64 * 6 * 64 * 64 * 6 * 64 ) days apart, and so on [ link 7 ] [ link 8 ].

reply to post by stereologist

How to measure novelty :
Measure shannon's entropy inside a communications system in a moment X. Then measure it again in a moment Y. entropy Y - entropy X = novelty. [ link 9 ]

reply to post by stereologist

McKenna did not graph the Wave as a fractal. He suffered from the line graph medium bias, i.e. the line graph design induced him to multiply the wave values along the y-axis ( Novelty axis ) instead of the x-axis ( Time axis ). I'd rather graph the wave this way : [link 10] [link 11].

reply to post by Cecilofs

We achieve surprising insights on the origins of language when we match McKenna's Stoned Ape Theory [link 12] with Leonard Shlain's ideas delivered in his "Big O Lecture". [link 13] ( see my attempt here : [link 14] ) .

Mckenna defines visible language as meaning without context ( see here : [ link 15 ] or [ link 16 ] ) . Stating it more clearly, the inner workings of language become obvious under the psilocybin medium to such a degree that it becomes possible to convey meaning through glossolalia, and this meaning becomes so well-defined to the person listening that he perceives it as arriving on the visual field.

We know that word meaning depends solely on word frequency , or better yet , on phoneme frequency. Therefore , I perceive certain word meanings differently from you because I've exposed myself to certain words more frequently than you did. When I change the frequency in which I expose myself to words , we name this frequency variation as novelty.

( The equation "entropy Y - entropy X = novelty" or its shorthand N = ΔH means exactly the same as the previous paragraph. After all, Shannon's entropy is H(X) = -Σp(x)logp(x), and p(x) = f(n) / n if f(n) is word frequency and n is number of words that may occur inside the communications system. )

A human child must expose himself to words for several years ( most countries say 18 or 21 years at least ) until he can sufficiently grasp how word frequency relates to meaning. If the psilocybin medium allows us to notice how word frequency produces meaning immediately as we speak , then we must scientifically investigate the teonanácatl technology through trial-and-error exposure to glossolalia.

I suggest we design glossolalia phoneme frequencies accordingly to Timewave Aleph values. That is, if we define levenshtein distances as ranges for phoneme frequencies ( range 6~5 = least frequent phonemes and phoneme sequencies = range [0,1/6] = [0%, 16,5% ] ; range 5~6 = range [1/6,2/6] = [16,5%,33%], and so on ) , then every phoneme ought to follow variations in levenshtein distances along scale 1, and every 64 phonemes ought to follow scale a, every 64 * 6 phonemes ought to follow scale b, and so on.

I hypothesize this may yield anything going from mere amusement to time travel and the obsolecence of our languages. However, historical evidence points out that the chances something actually serious will happen through these experiments are not near zero. In fact, we've found surprising evidence that human languages as we speak them today may have played a secondary role on human communication in the past. On this subject, the Cult of Eleusis [ link 17 ] [ link 18 ] [ link 19 ] becomes very relevant, just as the Mayan teonanácatl tradition [ link 20 ]. Every society that developed a symbiotic relationship with entheogenic tools had very sophisticated models of human language, like greek mythology , the tzolk'in and the I Ching. As I told you once before, all these maps hold isomorphic relationships between themselves. They all arise from the same experience.

reply to post by beebs

We very often ignore that the only effort to apprehend all of human language we take for seriously today - the Internet - became possible only because the insights that made it possible arrived to us from ancient traditions, and therefore we must understand the very beginning of history if we want to understand its ending now , for the future generations will again embody the modes of perception and social organization that once were set in place before History began : the giganti divine Viconian age of metaphor ( See Giambattista Vico ) ; the reverse Tower of Babel scenario decipted in Zephaniah 3:8, the only biblical verse that contains all hebrew letters and their five final forms. Binary arrived as part of Leibniz yijing-inspired efforts towards his characteristica universalis. Modern mathematics relevant to computers discends from Ramon Lull wheels and Giordano Bruno's ars memorativa ( see Frances Yates ) : hermeticism and gnosticism, traditions influenced by the Jesus mushroom cult ( see J. Marco Allegro ) and the Qabalah, inspired both. The hermetic tradition includes alchemy, science's forerunner. Today people locked up in labs create the homunculus , google becomes the djinn, and all alchemical flights of the fancy become trivial. All of western thinking is a footnote to Plato is a footnote to Socrates is a footnote to Eleusis is a footnote to the Logos.

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posted on Dec, 5 2010 @ 03:33 PM
reply to post by beebs

Originally posted by beebs
Which could be rolled into the theory of gravity as an emergent force through the entropic differences in space time...

See " Terence Mckenna - Personal Breast Beating " [ link 1 ] [ link 2 ].

Originally posted by beebs
So novelty in language is the change in/difference in entropic frames of reference? Novelty in language is novelty in history...?

Yes, novelty is delta entropy.
Yes, novelty in language is novelty in history, although some languages also exist outside history, like psilocybin glossolalia and genetic language.


** Psilocybin and the Timewave

Now I'll further elaborate on how psilocybin glossolalia relates to the levenshtein distances between hexagrams on the King Wen sequence.

"...However, you notice immediately there are no values of five. There are no first order of difference changes in the King Wen sequence of five. What's the prohibition against values of five about?" (McKenna, 'The invisible Landscape' Peer Review ) [ link 1 ]

"What you’re hearing is the shadow thrown by a hyper-dimensional object that the person making the sound is actually seeing. And you are just rotating this thing, going into it, expanding it, taking it apart, melting it, fusing it, remaking it. Strange stuff. I played this stuff for a linguist, this very straight linguist, I played about a 30 minute burst of it. And he smoked his pipe through it all, and when it was over he said “No O’s"." (McKenna, 'The Ethnobotany of Shamanism' ) [ link 2 ]

No fives and no O's.

This happens because the King Wen sequence describes the syntax of psilocybin glossolalia. We find this syntax in other places, like genetics - as Steve Krakowski pointed out - and History - as Terence McKenna pointed out. What all these languages - entheogenic, genetical, historical - have in common is that they are visible languages. You see the self-dribbling jeweled basketballs sung by self-transforming machine elves ; you see the trees , the animals , your body ; you see the clothes , the skyscrapers , the technology. However, the ages-old genetics won't tell a caveman its syntax , nor will the centuries-old History do it to its clueless victims. Only 30 minutes long psilocybin glossolalia explained the syntax behind all visible language to our ancestors, and now we may rescue this.

Now, we've got a problem. There are no large corpora of psilocybin glossolalia recordings anywhere. Without this data, we can't see how the I Ching describes visible language. The syntax of psilocybin glossolalia, once understood, will allow us to instantly convey what we mean to each other, without conventions and ambiguities.

I'll build this corpus and then analyze it.

** Plato and the Cratylus Dialogue

Cratylus, whom you see here, Socrates, says that everything has a right name of its own, which comes by nature, and that a name is not whatever people call a thing by agreement, just a piece of their own voice applied to the thing, but that there is a kind of inherent correctness in names, which is the same for all men, both Greeks and barbarians. So I ask him whether his name is in truth Cratylus, and he agrees that it is. “And what is Socrates' name?” I said. “Socrates,” said he. “Then that applies to all men, and the particular name by which we call each person is his name?” And he said, “Well, your name is not Hermogenes, even if all mankind call you so.” Now, though I am asking him and am exerting myself to find out what in the world he means, he does not explain himself at all;he meets me with dissimulation, claiming to have some special knowledge of his own about it which would, if he chose to speak it out clearly, make me agree entirely with him. Now if you could interpret Cratylus's oracular speech, I should like to hear you; or rather, I should like still better to hear, if you please, what you yourself think about the correctness of names.

The bolded passage yells Eleusis. Socrates did psilocybin and was sentenced to death for giving it to others.

posted on Dec, 5 2010 @ 03:48 PM
reply to post by theursprachist

Very interesting...

Yet "O" or Ohm is the primary method in Vedic/Indian mantra... 'resonating with the universe'... perhaps it is as a whole, and glossolalia expresses fluctuations in the parts?

The pentagon is curious as well... going to ponder over these for a while yet.

Are you planning on writing a book regarding this? It would be fascinating.


Five is not divisible by two. Are all the I-Ching divisible by two? They should be shouldn't they?

Its harmonics/factors are 1 and 5... prime...

And I did not know about Socrates and entheogens, but it makes perfect sense and makes the whole thing much more intriguing.

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posted on Dec, 5 2010 @ 05:58 PM
reply to post by beebs


" The syllable is taken to consist of three phonemes, a, u and m, variously symbolizing the Three Vedas or the Hindu Trimurti or the three stages of life ( birth, life and death )." [ link 1 ]

and I'd rather look into the pentagram, the five planets , the five elements, the five senses.
Farmers reap the rice during the 5th Ritu , Hemant ( हेमन्त ). They associate this season with the precession of equinoxes, Capricornus and Sagittarius.

Notice that "five" ( 五 ) sounds like "not" ( 無 ) in Chinese. And "not" ( Mu ) reminds us of Zen Buddhism and koans, like the classic

[ link 2 ].

So five looks like a number that stands for History. Conventions, ambiguity and anxiety about the future ; five fingers, agriculture , dualism , instability , transition period.

And by the way,

( number . frequency =
1 . 2
2 . 20
3 . 14
4 . 19
5 . 0
6 . 9 ).

6 stands for yin and 9 stands for yang on the I Ching. [ link 3 ] [ link 4 ] . On the F.O.D. , one always appears before six. [ link 5 ]

I may write a book in psilocybin glossolalia - That'd be pretty awesome. But first I must first understand how its syntax works by building a large database of psilocybin glossolalia and analyzing it.

posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 04:08 AM
reply to post by theursprachist

Yes, I had forgotten about the 3 phonemes in 'AUM'.

Well, I think you have enough to write about just leading up to psilocybin glossolalia. Or at least a research proposal.

Are you fluent in Chinese? I assume you are familiar with Leibniz also?

I would gladly volunteer for such a study.

One problem might be that there is no consistent syntax or phonetics for different speakers.

Also, perhaps pentecostal 'speaking in tongues' is comparable?

posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 02:47 PM
reply to post by beebs

Hello beebs,

I just started it.


I don't know whether ATS has a reasonable number of potential volunteers. I'll look for them in more likely places like '___'-Nexus and Shroomery.

John Keys
a.k.a. The Ursprachist
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posted on Dec, 6 2010 @ 05:32 PM
reply to post by theursprachist

I would do it. Never did 6 grams dried though. Been up to 4g.

My english isn't perfect; I don't understand what your paper means by "glossalia". Could you light me up please.

It's very interesting nonetheless. I do believe psychedelics are a wonderful tool for spiritual advancement.

posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 03:36 AM
theusurprachist - will send you a PM if I can get enough posts

In the mean time...this whole wikileaks event seems very novel to me and I am following it closely. Hopefully it is on the level and further change will occur. Hopefully January 17th won't be the beginning of the end for uncensored internet :/

posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 12:31 PM
reply to post by Gab1159

What we call psilocybin glossolalia does not happen below six carefully measured grams of psilocybe sp.. It lasts for approximately thirty minutes during the peak of the experience, when your speech creates visible objects in front of you. Here follows an example given by McKenna :

“MMMM” is a 3 ½ foot wide, 8 foot long magenta-curved surface with lime auras. And that “UHNNNNN” shifts the lime auras into rose pink and adds grey-silver pin striping along one edge.I thought “My god what is this?!”. Then when you break out into actual chanting, actual linguistically modulated sound you discover you too can make these objects.And what they apparently are, how this can be don’t ask me, they are apparently a syntactical sculpture, sculpture made of syntax. ( source : The Ethnobotany of Shamanism )

Unfortunately, most of us don't know that psilocybin glossolalia generates visible language and we've got virtually no research on the subject. As a result of this, we still can't produce visible objects any more sophisticated than abstract colored patterns.

"Is it only abstract colored patterns and moving fields of light? Or can I sing you my grandfather? And you would see him with his blue visor and his pegged pants and his crew cut? It’s this kind of thing, you know. This is why I believe the psychedelic experience has some kind of historical role to play. If we take seriously that it is an enzyme for the imagination, and if we take seriously the notion that language is the carrier wave of the imagination then probably what we’re involved in here is a quantized evolutionary leap to a higher modality of language. It will come out of our biological organization, it’s not cultural and its still less technological. It’s in the bone, and tongue, and brain and lungs of human beings." ( source : The Ethnobotany of Shamanism )

The Ursprach Initiative attempts to bring this higher modality into existence through an investigation of the syntax of psilocybin glossolalia. Once successfully described, this syntax will allow humans to create visible language while sober. If you play the piano and you know musical notation, you'll create music even when you don't have a piano, and your music will become far more elaborate than if you had only thirty minutes a week to practise. If you speak English and you know how to write, your communication will become far more elaborate than if you had only thirty minutes a week to speak your mind. The Ursprach Initiative attempts to build a notation of visual language.

My research suggests that all visible language - including History and Genetics - share a common syntax. In fact, I don't see them as different languages : I see History simply as genetical language speeded up and psilocybin glossolalia slowed down. Human culture, from the I Ching to Shakespeare to today, attempts to build a syntax of History , modern science attempts to build a syntax of genetics , and I attempt to build a syntax of psilocybin glossolalia. However, we all attempt to build the same syntax , the same characteristica universalis. Any discoveries about psilocybin glossolalia will also bring some new insights into science and culture, and vice versa.

posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 02:10 PM
reply to post by theursprachist

What a great pitch...

And a great meme for the title of the research.

You definitely have enough material to write a book about this, and perhaps get the philosophical concepts out to a wider audience and 'research sample'.

I can tell you that far less interesting books have made NYT #1 bestselling...

In this modern age, there are plenty of publishers who would consider publishing such material.

Especially when you adhere to an academic standard with plenty of references etc.

I wish the effort good luck, and I will attempt to participate soon.

posted on Dec, 7 2010 @ 03:29 PM
So what you are saying, is that on 6 gr. dried, I can speak hallucinations...

Will another person see the exact same patterns than me?

And I would find it hard to conduct any research on 6 gr. honestly...Way too out of this world!

Anyways, if I do it one day, I'll PM you or fill a report on your website! Good luck with your research!

posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 12:01 AM
When I think to January 17 2011 point I always think of Seattle, dam breaking and flood...
And on the original Timewave that point is reached today...
And this happened, according to predictions:

Stillaquamish River, north of Seattle, reaches record flood stage after rains

Check out my predictions, there was always Seattle near to January 17 2011 point...

posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 01:38 AM
I live near seattle. We have had a fair amount of rain in the past few weeks. But its really not that out of the ordinary. We get a lot of rain every year. Some worse than others. This year is not even close to as bad as I've seen it. Some areas are flooding, but they always flood. I don't think there is any cause for concern, as least, not yet.

posted on Dec, 13 2010 @ 06:29 AM
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I just said it because there is a link with the 1880s decade, Seattle disaster and a huge flood...

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