Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

reply to post by stereologist


Look, I wouldn't call Mckenna a fraud. He may have been simply misinformed or unaware...
Anyway, sometimes, is tough to believe in Timewave...

I'm sitting here with a super-relaxing music, a good mood day and snowing in Portland ( video on you tube, lack of snowing here in Italy ) and I laugh at the thought of the actual realization of Mckenna's ideas.

But what can we know until we arrive at that point?

If you researched more on the creator of the TimeWave Zero, Terrence McKenna, you would have known that this guy is anything but a fraud.

reply to post by Gab1159


I researched Mckenna for months and months almosty everyday. He had beliefs and theories, but he wasn't a guru, nor he wanted to become one.
He was a philosopher and you will never know if Timewave zero theory is true until Christmas 2012 comes and goes...

reply to post by Zagari


I'm no expert on Timewave zero and that's why I'm asking this question here.
Does TZ has a major prediction of some sort happening soon? I ask that question because it's said that these Wikileaks documents will drastically change things around the world. Could this apply to Timewave Zero or Webbot? Not sure about Webbot either.

Thanks.

reply to post by magestyk7


First, I 'll tell you that I don't believe webbot has validity. Timewave Zero and webbot are completely DIFFERENT things.
I can only tell you that since November 14 to January 19 2011 we will see many unexpected, unusual and probably globally-influencing events...
More the novelty level goes up, more the graph goes down, more the events will influence our life and change our ways of thinking about something in life...
Watch for major events December 13-14 2010, January 11-19 2011.

Know that around December 13 2010 and December 14 2010 we will resonate with August- September 1943 events and a school disaster in the 1880s and Krakatoa eruption in 1883.
And around January 16 2011, we will resonate with a big event in Seattle and a Pennsylvania dam collapse.

Just like all the 2012 hoaxes, this one's also based on pseudo-science rather than real science. I'm always surprised how gullible people are given that we're in the 21st century.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Oh what a surprise! I've seen this video today and I can say that is REALLY BADLY explained...Poor debunking...The person who did this video was not enough informed about Timewave Zero...
You neither,,,
( didn't you read page 121-122? Timewave Zero can't be called a hoax, and of course it cannot be called this way, because we are not in 2013 YET, if people do realize ).

December 21 2012 does correspond to August 6 1945 on a new kind of calculation, and is not a casual choice...
He didn't choose the date at random...He changed the calculations and I can say it is truly the best fitting with events in history.

You probably weren't here on June 25 2009, October 7 2008, February 7 2009, January 12 2010 and February 27 2010 when on this website, the Timewave research was going on with amazing results...
Those dates are indicated on the graph...


Check out the thread of ATS " Timewave Zero: the falacy " and read the explanations of the member Evasius...

Timewave Zero can't be debunked until Christmas 2012...
That's it actually.

Sometimes I find it tough to believe in it, but it may actually happen.

Originally posted by Zagari
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Oh what a surprise! I've seen this video today and I can say that is REALLY BADLY explained...Poor debunking...The person who did this video was not enough informed about Timewave Zero...
You neither,,,
( didn't you read page 121-122? Timewave Zero can't be called a hoax, and of course it cannot be called this way, because we are not in 2013 YET, if people do realize ).

December 21 2012 does correspond to August 6 1945 on a new kind of calculation, and is not a casual choice...
He didn't choose the date at random...He changed the calculations and I can say it is truly the best fitting with events in history.

You probably weren't here on June 25 2009, October 7 2008, February 7 2009, January 12 2010 and February 27 2010 when on this website, the Timewave research was going on with amazing results...
Those dates are indicated on the graph...


Check out the thread of ATS " Timewave Zero: the falacy " and read the explanations of the member Evasius...

Timewave Zero can't be debunked until Christmas 2012...
That's it actually.

Sometimes I find it tough to believe in it, but it may actually happen.

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Laughable

The video makes some very good points. The entire math behind timewave zero is ARBITRARY. People are just cherry picking events and assigning it to that random graph.

And as he points out correctly, it certainly doesn't fit the last 10 years, and the whole 2012 hysteria is just a date he got by randomly moving things around.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Listen. at the start of the research Evasius said a very novel and global event would happen on June 25 2009, and it DID happen.
Another one said that a big event involving economy would go huge on October 7 2008. If you don't know, that's when the recession started, on THAT day.

The math is not arbitrary, and if you want SHOW HOW IS arbitrary. I posted the math of the graph on page 122 for all people to see...
I hope you're a math expert and you can explain to us how it fails...

Geez, the debate with Stereologist wasn't enough? Now I have to debate with you?

Dude, the debunking in the video is POOR. You should really read Evasius explanations...

" Dismissing a theory without further and COMPLETE research is example of acute ignorancy " that's what Einstein said.

The graph is in free-fall and world war 3 is about to begin...That attack in South Korea was one of the big events we will see until January 2011...
On November 17 2010, Cern trapped anti-matter...
I don't know what it comes for people to do their homework, and see that those dates work...

I hope first non visual contact with aliens happens on January 17 2011...

I won't change my opinion about the validity of the Timewave at least until June 2012...

And anyway, telling people nothing is going to happen in 2012 is of course, a prediction too.

Fine...continue to remain gullible

I predict stuff will happen in 2012, just like in 2011, and 2049, and of course 2072...

Originally posted by Zagari
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Listen. at the start of the research Evasius said a very novel and global event would happen on June 25 2009, and it DID happen.
Another one said that a big event involving economy would go huge on October 7 2008. If you don't know, that's when the recession started, on THAT day.

The math is not arbitrary, and if you want SHOW HOW IS arbitrary. I posted the math of the graph on page 122 for all people to see...
I hope you're a math expert and you can explain to us how it fails...

Geez, the debate with Stereologist wasn't enough? Now I have to debate with you?

Dude, the debunking in the video is POOR. You should really read Evasius explanations...

" Dismissing a theory without further and COMPLETE research is example of acute ignorancy " that's what Einstein said.

The graph is in free-fall and world war 3 is about to begin...That attack in South Korea was one of the big events we will see until January 2011...
On November 17 2010, Cern trapped anti-matter...
I don't know what it comes for people to do their homework, and see that those dates work...

I hope first non visual contact with aliens happens on January 17 2011...

I won't change my opinion about the validity of the Timewave at least until June 2012...

And anyway, telling people nothing is going to happen in 2012 is of course, a prediction too.

What "very novel and global event" happened on June 25, 2009? Please tell me you are not referring to Micheal Jackson's death...

And what exactly is "non-visual contact"? We won't be able to see them?

reply to post by Skippy1138

Please, tell me you understand that Timewave Zero graph also indicates globally-influencing events and even if you think that Michael Jackson was a piece of garbage, his death did influence millions of people, and of course his life did and he was one of the most famous people on Earth.
The amount of connectivity of the global population on that day was so high, that many websites went down...

Novelty is connectivity too...Connection between people, " people thinking about the same thing " and MJ death was on the mouth of everybody on Earth, even if YOU think he was a piece of garbage, you can't deny this.

Now, I think I'm going to quote some past debate since people in here won't turn the page back and READ.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Your culture makes you gullible. People make up their minds on high school and college " mindset " school lessons and professor's opinions.
I know, I attended a Classical Lyceum and one year of university...
No one does research now...They think they already know the answers...

Never seen this ? " The hardest thing to understand is that thing people think they ALREADY know "...

I would really love to see your face when that day comes...
I'm not willing to discuss with someone who thinks he debunked the future...

You don't know ---if --- something happens on that day, and of course I admit I don't know either, so no one of us can say " something will happen ", " nothing will happen ".

The only thing I say, is, wait and see...

People think they conplete university and they know all, like they are semi-gods...

Originally posted by Zagari
Show me the evidence to debunk this:

Mathematical analysis of Timewave Zero function

From a mathematical point of view, it is a fractal function where each point is calculated as the sum of a doubly infinite series.
Let v(x) be a function equal to 0 for all x minor than B and whose value is always finite (minor than a given C).
Having defined such a function, we can define its "fractal transform" this way:

Timewave Zero function is the "fractal transform" of a saw-tooth function.
Consider this list of 384 values derived from a transformation of "King Wen Sequence":

0, 0, 0, 2, 7, 4, 3, 2, 6, 8, 13, 5, 26, 25, 24, 15, 13, 16, 14, 19, 17, 24, 20, 25, 63, 60, 56, 55, 47, 53, 36, 38, 39, 43, 39, 35, 22, 24, 22, 21, 29, 30, 27, 26, 26, 21, 23, 19, 57, 62, 61, 55, 57, 57, 35, 50, 40, 29, 28, 26, 50, 51, 52, 61, 60, 60, 42, 42, 43, 43, 42, 41, 45, 41, 46, 23, 35, 34, 21, 21, 19, 51, 40, 49, 29, 29, 31, 40, 36, 33, 29, 26, 30, 16, 18, 14, 66, 64, 64, 56, 53, 57, 49, 51, 47, 44, 46, 47, 56, 51, 53, 25, 37, 30, 31, 28, 30, 36, 35, 22, 28, 32, 27, 32, 34, 35, 52, 49, 48, 51, 51, 53, 40, 43, 42, 26, 30, 28, 55, 41, 53, 52, 51, 47, 61, 64, 65, 39, 41, 41, 22, 21, 23, 43, 41, 38, 24, 22, 24, 14, 17, 19, 52, 50, 47, 42, 40, 42, 26, 27, 27, 34, 38, 33, 44, 44, 42, 41, 40, 37, 33, 31, 26, 44, 34, 38, 46, 44, 44, 36, 37, 34, 36, 36, 36, 38, 43, 38, 27, 26, 30, 32, 37, 29, 50, 49, 48, 29, 37, 36, 10, 19, 17, 24, 20, 25, 53, 52, 50, 53, 57, 55, 34, 44, 45, 13, 9, 5, 34, 26, 32, 31, 41, 42, 31, 32, 30, 21, 19, 23, 43, 36, 31, 47, 45, 43, 47, 62, 52, 41, 36, 38, 46, 47, 40, 43, 42, 42, 36, 38, 43, 53, 52, 53, 47, 49, 48, 47, 41, 44, 15, 11, 19, 51, 40, 49, 23, 23, 25, 34, 30, 27, 7, 4, 4, 32, 22, 32, 68, 70, 66, 68, 79, 71, 43, 45, 41, 38, 40, 41, 24, 25, 23, 35, 33, 38, 43, 50, 48, 18, 17, 26, 34, 38, 33, 38, 40, 41, 34, 31, 30, 33, 33, 35, 28, 23, 22, 26, 30, 26, 75, 77, 71, 62, 63, 63, 37, 40, 41, 49, 47, 51, 32, 37, 33, 49, 47, 44, 32, 38, 28, 38, 39, 37, 22, 20, 17, 44, 50, 40, 32, 33, 33, 40, 44, 39, 32, 32, 40, 39, 34, 41, 33, 33, 32, 32, 38, 36, 22, 20, 20, 12, 13, 10


King Wen Sequence

These numbers provide the basic numerical values used in the definition of a w(i) function, defined as the i-th value of this set, using zero-based indexing:
w(0)=0, w(1)=0, w(2)=0, w(3)=2, w(4)=7 and so on.
In order to extend w(i) to values of i greater than 383, we can simply define a new function W(i)=w(i mod 384) where i mod 384 is the remainder upon division of i by 384.
Thus for example W(777)=w(777 mod 384)=v(9)=8.
Note that W() is a discrete function defined only for integers, not for all real numbers: in order to extend it for any non-negative real numbers x we can easily define a new v(x) function as the linear interpolation between the values W(int(x)) and W(int(x)+1), where int(x) is the integral part of x. Formally, v(x) is defined as:
v(x) = W(int(x)) + (x - int(x)) × (W(x+1) - W(x))
Timewave Zero function is the fractal transform of v(x) using a=64, divided per 64^3:

where x = time in days prior to 6 AM on the zero date. Thus the value of Timewave Zero on the zero date is:
t(0) = f(0) / 64^3 = 0
The day before the zero date is:
t(1) = f(1) / 64^3 = 0.0000036160151
and so on.
These values are independent of the actual zero date, for which McKenna arbitrarily chose december 21th, 2012.
Timewave Zero function in R-Environment

The analysis of Timewave Zero function is easy with R programming language. This is the definition of W(x) function:

W

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Zagari

 

I still don't understand why do you need the answer to this, if certain years are novel or not.

I am simply running a test. It rather simple I think.

You listed 1905 as a novel year and even gave reasons. Just wondering about the other years.

You are not running a test. You are trying to trap Zagari into an argument that you think you've already won, and I'm getting a bit annoyed at your lack of willingness to go do some research on Timewave theory and stop trying to pick apart semantics.

Have you read this entire thread, all 120 pages? I have.

Have you watched ALL of Terrence McKenna's recordings that are available freely? I have.

Have you take the time to look at this beyond mathematics? I have.

Do you have any background or understanding in ontology? Probably not.

Do you have any background with morphogenesis? Numerology? Astrology? Eschatology? If you don't have a background in these areas, you have no idea what you are talking about on this thread and your argument is devoid of substance because again, you are picking at one specific point, which is the math.

You coming on to this thread after 120 pages of other people's efforts, spouting "hoax" and claiming you have all of the answers is ridiculous. You sit here and claim that the Timewave has no basis in reality.... really? And you can prove your argument how? Again, you don't have the background in the combined subject areas to argue how the theory has substance or not, you are just simply looking at the math.

If you would have taken the time to understand what Timewave is, you would understand that it has roots in philosophy, numerology, astrology, eschatology, morphogenesis, AND yes, math. Tell me, when was the last time philosophy was measured by a number? When was the last time you could measure how people feel about the world today with a mathematical function? (besides polls)

While I'm on my rant, let me ask you this.... what is reality to you? You're saying this has no basis in reality (subjective), but clearly, a LOT of other people feel differently. Well, last I checked with the leading scholars and philosophers of our time (mind you, you aren't one of them), they all pretty much consider "reality" based on the individual's perception of the world around them, inclusive of their own ideas and inspirations. Your perception here is different, so why can't you accept that and move on? So far, I've seen you pick at syntax and semantics, but you are forgetting that there are two sides to this discussion - the science/math and the theory. It's called TIMEWAVE THEORY for a reason, not TIMEWAVE FACT. It's also called THEORETICAL PHYSICS, not FACT PHYSICS. The math stands up until an experiment proves otherwise. I'm willing to bet that you are supportive of much of the standard theoretical physics taught because all of the math looks good. Have you also considered that most experiments to prove the majority of theories FAIL because of UNSEEN considerations that people did not have the foresight to know in advance? This is what leads to the theories that are further evaluated and reformed as our understanding of "reality" around us changes.

This is what this thread and discussion is for. The math may or may not be correct, but it is still theory and deserves the opportunity to be proven or not. We are all looking for ways to prove or disprove the theory, myself included. However, without having an understanding of the mechanics involved behind the math such as the other areas I've already mentioned, you have no right coming on here and bashing other people for their efforts in trying to better understand it or saying that it's fraudulent.

I often enjoy your threads and find your arguments in the 2012 threads compelling usually. This is one of the times that I'm not impressed. Let me also remind you that a hoax is something that is deliberately created to look like something true with the intentions of being fraudulent. This is absolutely not the case with Timewave theory, so please be mindful of how you throw that word around as I've also seen you use it on several other threads. If you still choose to argue your math point, please take it up on another thread. I, and many others, would like this thread to continue to focus on trying to understand the theory and not insulting "hoax" claims over something you have failed to fully understand. Just my 2 cents.

~Namaste

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Did people read what he said? I guess no.
READ NOW

reply to post by MrXYZ


I've just discovered we two had a debate about 2012 in September 2010.
Welcome to this topic. I knew you would be skeptical...

I would really love if Evasius comes back and debates with you. I guess he would find a way to win...

Its the secret of the Timewave. It registers unusual and unexpected events...
The only thing people don't expect from December 21 2012 is that something does actually happens.
Fact is, that given that the novelty will go extreme, the odds of something happening ( my only guess is alien mass landing/ time travel activation ) will be extreme...

Unusual thing on December 21 2012? Something happening that changes the world forever. Obvious. Unexpected and incredible, would beat every possible odd. Right, skeptics?

Wouldn't hurt you to read this topic, at least until page 25...

All those skeptics going around posting " nothing will happen in 2012 because this scientist/ researcher says so ".
So, at the very least, what are you doing on here? Why do you post in 2012 threads? Just ignore it!
It would fit your logic!!!!

reply to post by MrXYZ


I dont think I'm gullible just because I'm open minded.
I have a curiosity. I like to know about things nomatter how strange it is.
People beleived the sun rotated around the earth. That the Earth was Flat.
There are things many things we dont know or understand.
Being ignorant to other possibilities is not the path to enlightenment.

Originally posted by Zagari
Check out the thread of ATS " Timewave Zero: the falacy " and read the explanations of the member Evasius...

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Do you have a link to that thread? I would like to read more on it.
Thanks.
***Nevermind, I found it****

Seems to me this fractal graph is on course. The drop off point of 15th november is when the irish bankruptcy kicked off, and has been gathering pace since with the whole eurozone at risk of collapse. Tensions rising globally with korea, china and u.s. and the threat of war. Food, domestic fuel costs etc rising dramatically, whilst wages remain frozen-if your lucky enough to still have a job. I don't believe this fractal predicts novelty however, but predicts change, good or bad. When it drops though, it seems that the change is such that people have to rethink their values and how they live their lives.

Oh Zagari! I wasn't addressing to you in the upper part of this page. My bad!!

Dear friends,

i was reading this thread now for a very long time, and I also study the timewave theory now for many years. Terence McKenna was a person, that i respect very much.
Maybe its the time to tell you my thoughts and observations about TWZ:

For me, TWZ is a valid theory, but probably misunderstood by many people. IMHO, the TWZ is a very personal thing, although it happens on a greater scale also. Hard to describe in a foreign language, but maybe I can do it with an example.

For me, the graph of TWZ represents changes, on a worldwide scale, but also on a very personal scale. In times, like now, when TWZ changes strong, life changes also very strong. I can observe it in many things, and the most obvious changes are synchronicities, that happen very often in times of high TWZ activity.
I sometimes think about something, and a few days later, something similar to my thoughts happens in reality. Or, I'm talking with my girlfriend about a new idea, and a few days later, I can read in the news about something similar, or maybe its in a TV show.

A few months/years ago, those synchronicities happened also, but in a much longer period, like weeks or months. Now, they happen in days.

A little example: I was talking with my girlfriend about how and when the moon was "created". We didn't know it exactly, and we stopped our discussion. Two days later, I was watching TV (which I usually do very seldom), and it was boring, so I started to zap through the channels. And, bingo, on one channel i saw a nature report, where they explained, how the moon came into existence.

Well, if such things happen once or twice, it could be coincidence. But if it happens all the time, i doubt that its coincidence.

Another little story out of life: At breakfast, I was talking with my son about Tarzan (Greystoke?), and who he was (the guy who came out of the jungle ). I don't remember why we started this talk, but one day later, my son told me, that a few minutes ago, he saw a comic about Tarzan. And one day later, we heard a song about Tarzan in the radio. Definitely, it was the first time in our family life, that we talked about Tarzan. And my son never saw the Tarzan comic before. And we all did never before hear a song about Tarzan in radio.
This was not only a dublette, but even a triplet. And those things, that happen three times, get more often in our life.

Dear friends, things like this happen all the time in my life, there are many more examples that I could tell you. Too many of them, to be pure coincidence.

From this observation, I would say, that the connection of mind (thoughts) and reality is much denser in times of high TWZ activity, like now. I was always sure, that there is a connection of mind and reality in the way, that thoughts create reality. Even then, when you don't actively work on creating reality from your thoughts. It just happens.

IMHO, life, time, reality, the universe is a kind of fractal. Something that repeats its patterns all the time, but in a different scale, and in small variations. This would explain, why things happen again and again, but always slightly different. And, as the scale gets smaller and smaller (more iterations in the timewave fractal), synchronicities happen more often.
The best visualisation, of how the universe could work, did I find on youtube: 4D Mandelbulb on youtube

Imagine, your life (or the whole humankind) is one spot on the surface of this ever changing mandelbulb. Your life goes up and down (changes), and the same patterns are repeated again and again, but everytime slightly changed.
Sometimes you are on a quiet spot of the mandelbulb, and not much changes in your life (or in human history), but then suddenly, the spot where you (or the humans) are, starts to change dramatically.

I think, Terrence found the 2D fractal formula which corresponds to the universes fractal mandelbulb. One can predict, when the mandelbulb changes a lot, and when not. And, as i believe, that mind and reality are closely woven together, in times of high TWZ activity, your thoughts form the reality much more than in times of low activity.


Resumee:
My theory is, that the universe works fractal. Terrence found the formula to see the fractal changes in the universe. Conciousness and reality is something closely woven together, maybe even two sides of the same coin. In times of high TWZ activity, your conciousness can form the reality around you very much (like now, when a lot of synchronicities happen). And, because we are not alone on the planet, in times of high activity, the common human conciousness forms our common reality much stronger.
What will happen in 2012? I don't know, probably we just move into a new cycle of the fractal, and everything goes on like it was, just a new TWZ algorithm has to be found, to describe our new position on the mandelbulb.

I hope, my writing makes some sense to you,

Greetings to all,
Galen