reply to post by MattMulder
Religion a joke? Well, let's see. Here's a photo of earth: www.icis.com...
Do you suppose that you might know less than 5% of all the knowledge in the world, considering that much of it may be in foreign languages? Would you
consider that, in the 95%+ that you do not know, there may be evidence for a God? If there is a God, and if He made the entire universe, do you think
that any modifications to Earth would be a problem for Him? Do you think, just maybe, He could have made this world with the ability to believe,
scientifically, either it is 6000 years old or billions of years old? If so, wouldn't he be giving you a choice to believe Him, when He says it's
6000 years old, or to not believe Him? After all, if all the scientific evidence said it was 6000 years old, you would not have a choice to believe
or disbelieve---it would be evident.
Why would He give you a choice? Let's see what He says: (Deut 13) "If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a
sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass
, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast
not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth
you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God
with all your heart and with all your soul."
Additionally, the New Testament does not say science opposes Christianity. It says quite the opposite. It says the science is falsely claimed to
oppose Christianity (I Ti 6:20). Of course, there are over a thousand scientists risking their jobs to say they don't believe in the theory of
Taking the above quote from Deut, let's see how that breaks down to our modern times:
First, a prophet gives you a sign or wonder. That would be like a person in authority giving you a wonderful new fact, with the accompanying
phrase about how it supports his prophecy or theory.
Two, the wonderful new fact is supported by more scientific research, just like the scientist said it would be.
Three, the wonderful new fact that is supported causes you to leave your belief in God and to follow after another belief.
Sounds like a perfect fit, to me.
Let's see what is "Gods rebuttal" that will help to support the Christian on his way to believing in God. In John 1:3, we see that Jesus made all
things. Therefore, we can conclude that He created the heavens and the earth. It would be safe to say that the creation would be a miracle, to you
and me. Especially if it were in 6 days. Now, fast forward to the life of Jesus with us. In the New Testament, we see the first miracle in his
earthly life is stated in scripture at John 2:11 was turning water into wine. Most scan over this as a cheap parlor trick, but to the Christian it is
all-important. Let us compare the two "first" miracles -- one as God before the worlds were made, and one as one of us.
How many days did it take to create the worlds? Six
How many waterpots of water were turned to wine? Six
How were the worlds made, aged or new? Aged
How was the wine made, new or aged? Aged
What was the name of the town where the water was made into wine? Cana. What is the meaning of the term Cana? To create, build.
You can draw whatever conclusion you wish, but to a person of faith, this is more evidence that God did things just as He said. Luckily, He is not
forcing us to believe it or do as He says. You have a choice. You can love God, or not. If you love Him, you will do what He says, and you will
You don't have to follow after the teachings of men. Many are out for the money, indirectly, and many are doing good works from a charitable heart.
I do not judge them for their deeds, God takes care of that. But to the unbeliever, it is a myriad of labyrinths to pass through if they are not
well-read (without someone interpreting for them). I suggest you read the KJV bible and not the others. It is the most accurate, and does not
include the anti-Christian doctrines of the Gnostics as do most other Bible versions. For example, the Catholic bible and the NIV include the
Gnostics scriptures, the Alexandrian texts, which even the New Testament authors stated were in opposition to the Christians.
Take care, see you on ATS.
[edit on 17-6-2009 by Jim Scott]