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Proud To Be American? You Should Be Ashamed

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posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 10:50 PM

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Pinning down the Illuminati might be harder than the Lilliputians
pinning down Gulliver.

I love it... Great post

posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Rams59lb

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Pinning down the Illuminati might be harder than the Lilliputians
pinning down Gulliver.

I love it... Great post

There are many who have analyzed this story.

One might think of the common man as Gulliver and the
society of Lilliputians as the society of Illuminati who are
holding them down.

We can't be ashamed, there is too much shame to go around on
their side.

posted on Jun, 17 2009 @ 11:37 PM
I'm proud to be a good O'l fashioned home grown American....

But ....Can't say I'm proud of the way this country is run.

posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 01:56 AM
Ashamed to be an American? Hardly!

What I am ashamed of is these perpetrators claiming to be our leaders and not doing their jobs.

They are not the real Americans...WE ARE!!!

posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 02:28 AM

Originally posted by Rams59lb

Proud To Be American? You Should Be Ashamed

We have seen the largest looting operation in history perpetrated against The American People.

Over $5 trillion dollars in junk securities were marketed and sold. They had a real value of about $2 trillion dollars; the other $3 trillion, roughly, was pure fiction.

"It was pure fraud."
(visit the link for the full news article)

Like the American people had $5 trillion in the piggy bank to buy the fancy securities that saw the light of day as a result of the sub prime lending. Those dudes behind market ticker org. should get their heads examined first thing in the morning.

Gee, I wonder what happened to Iceland that the country became broke.

The fraud was the rating of the bonds that Wall St. fed the world with. Those bonds were not AAA by any means; they were junk bonds, as the Iceland's "depository institutions" found out to their dismay. But the fraud amounted to a "pre-owned" car dealer selling you a junk car -- can't go to jail for that.

The fish began to smell some two years before things went south for real -- right here in the USA. That's why the "AAA" bonds hit the road en masse.

Now when the world learned that the Yanks are crooks, the worldwide investors will be more careful.

posted on Jun, 18 2009 @ 11:42 AM
There are companies that still do the right thing.
They smelled a rat and did not get their bonds rated.
Thus they are said to be valued less and undesirable.
However their rate of return is solid and will now give
a reinvestment of more shares.
ED: I think they saved money by not paying the rating
org. Yeah but I did see Asset Backed in some portfolios.
When you see the Asset Backed you know there was
none cause why call it that in the first place, in name

[edit on 6/18/2009 by TeslaandLyne]

posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 05:37 AM
reply to post by acrux

Wherever you are from, I am sure America has helped your country. Right now I think America should bring all its troops home, stop all foreign aid programs, let all other countries stand on their own two feet. And when TSHTF, don't call on America, we won't hear you. Call China instead.

posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 05:47 AM

Originally posted by Oatmeal
Wherever you are from, I am sure America has manipulated your country. Right now I think America should bring all its troops home, stop all foreign aid programs, let all other countries stand on their own two feet. And when TSHTF, America won't come in and f*** your # up, purchase your oil for prices that can only be described as criminally low and overthrow your democratically elected government because they refuse to play ball the American way. Call China instead.

I've just corrected your post a little, as you seem to have missed out some of the facts and the past history of your "glorious" country. Just so you know!

posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:01 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Wow. I've not heard a POV like yours from an American for a long while: star! OP, excuse me for intruding but... I feel I must add that whilst there was a high point of wealth distribution in the USA, it's not so simple. Yes, from the early 70s, US citizens were steadily impoverished, the Unions were corrupted & marginalised, but the malaise goes deeper. Where did the wealth of the 60s come from? The USA was bankrupt not long before, but WW2 changed that, the USA gained the proceeds of the British Empire & restarted it's industrialisation. After WW2 the $US replaced the Pound as the world's reserve currency, but even this was not enough to pay for American ambitions. Nixon uncoupled the $ from the Gold Exchange Standard & because OPEC only trades oil for $US, the USA gained spending power because the Fed could 'print' $US without fear of inflation: most $s spent abroad would not come home to roost, but would rather be used by other countries for buying oil or as reserves for doing so. This gave US companies inflated spending power abroad: raw materials were cheaper than they would otherwise have been. This situation also provided the framework for exporting the jobs making stuff from those materials, but whilst the world economy's manufacturing could support Americans switching to 'tertiary' service sector jobs, all was seemingly well. @the same time, we were told it was enterprise & the holy free market that created this wealth & thus to create more, the market should be deregulated further. It was a lie, plain & simple. The truth we now see is that the more freedom capitalism is given, the more irresponsible its practitioners become, spawning a culture of corruption & the greatest gap between rich & poor of any developed nation. Now, I'm not advocating a command economy. Let capitalism do what it's good @: short term innovation & consumer goods; but some things require a longer view.

posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 11:34 AM
reply to post by Oatmeal
If the USA brought all its troops home & stopped all foreign aid, the regimes it supports would collapse & shortly thereafter the value of the $US would drop like a stone, as the various nations of the world under de facto US occupation acted in their best interests & dumped the $ in favour of the €: just like "The Axis of Evil" have done, following Iraq's lead. What else do you think communist N Korea & a theocracy like Iran have in common? Their systems are directly antithetical; except they've got the nuts to refuse to carry on paying 'America Tax'; ie trading in a currency that is constantly losing value.

posted on Jun, 19 2009 @ 12:09 PM
I would be more ashamed to be an American if I didn't make an absolutely clear distinction between the government and the nation. I would love to hear other countries' ideas on how we should've foreseen and stopped a massive conspiracy that went all the way to the top of the financial industry and was helped along and covered up by the exact organizations that were created to identify and stop such massive conspiracies.

The only thing we should be ashamed of is that after all this BS we have so very few heads on pikes.

posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 07:18 AM
reply to post by Shadowflux
I'm not one for 'shoulds' but something Americans could have done was recognise that there is no left in US politics: there is a right, a far right & an insane right & that's mainstream, never mind the extremists! Instead of listening to rightwing bleating about a nonexistant socialist agenda spending money your country wouldn't be able to afford, y'all could have looked who was really doing the spending: Ronald Reagan. That was when the seeds of this mess were sown. But y'all voted Bush Snr. in to carry on the neocon agenda. By Clinton's time it was probably too late, but it did seem Americans were more interested in what he did with his c**k than the budget. A bit of actual socialism might have helped too, eg laws to prevent jobs being offshored, govt mandated retooling in the auto industry, instead of suspending compliance with fuel economy targets... I could go on, but nobody's listening!

posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 08:43 AM

[El Producto]
Do you know who you are..
Do you know who you are #ing with?
Do you know the access to weapons money and power
that we have? We will #ing kill you!

I'm the ugliest version of passed down toxic capitalist
rapid emcee perversion I'm America!
Your bleeding heart liberal drivel gets squashed
Wash em with sterilized rhyme patriot guided weaponry bomb
from the makers of the devious hearts -- I'm America!
You bitchy little tarts don't even phase my basic policy
The bomb's smarter, my Ronald Reagan's crush Carter
Prepare big tactics, makin young men into martyrs
(Come on down!) Come to my happy promised land
Smiley faced opportunity cypher
and jump on the CoFlow pension plan
A proletariat, crushing State of the Union
between serpentine words and mass confusion
of media controlled blurb advertising disillusionment
Your family will love my low-rent, low-life
no-brain, reality-dagger, MOVEMENT
Hop over the border for amusement; try to test the waters
that the other slaughter crews periodic usin
You up against -- Jesus Freak, formin corporations in Young Republicans
Indelible NATO force hidden agenda, puppet governments
I'm lovin it! Keep the people guessin who I'm runnin with
Control the population and hide behind sacred covenants
#in with me?!?! Means liberal wildlife burnin, gasoline seized
and an automagnetic third world printed with metal plates in they knees
Can't you hear the disenchanted, hide the scream of
Gabriel's reflected new wind instrument, a judgment played in flat C
I replace humans like robots in a GM factory (warning! warning!)
Then explore metaphors to sweat shops, cause the price is satisfactory
Your pious little cries of injustice get met with apathy (awww, SHUCKS!)
Soak, cloak, hormone injected dairy product
and conservative right-wing anti-eroticism; the poisonous
resevoirs and power lines in your neighborhood cause botchilism
SENSELESS! Join the census, censorship sentences sentence
Triple-felon citizen paid pennance!
Dissension against C-F ends in, penetentiary residence
Lock em up first, then ask questions
Ommision presence, my CHARM is the weapon
with cameras mics and satellites that leave privacy breathless
You don't even know the chemicals you've ingested

"Who's America? Who's America? Who's America? Who's America?"
"Who's America? Who's America? Who's America? Who's America?"
[El-P] I'm America! I'm America! I'm America! Mr. Len, get busy on em!

* DJ Mr. Len the Space Ghost cuts up "God damn!!" *

I'm America arrogant!! Terminus verbal curfew murders
You either purchase my products or you're worthless, that's my servants!
Don't look into the oculars of a daylight saver
Erase your city head and momument defacer comprising of
patriot droids, sent into the void with lead linings
Employed by the bureaucrats of automatic twisted rhyme timing
You're guaranteed nothing but my fat little finger
that lingers one inch off of the big button -- LET'S START THIS!
I'm Saran gas, hide in your apartments
I'm stealth like a robot hidden in the fat asshole of Cartman
And give a crippling # like sand sharkskin condom
to your apparent vaginal problem - the hottest # on Soundbombing
I'm American til infinite justice measure to Pesticide Cemetary
Invite you to cross the border then # on your divinities
What language is that? I'm angusih in fact, tangle with a
star-spangled standard issue for crowd management
Go wild and get a trial and then a hot cry to harassment
by the crowd force of my mental pedestrian checker,
that smashes subordinate skulls and update the file in your dental records
You tryin to get a light but yet the crowd is my paid hecklers (BOO! BOO!)
You just stepped into the spectrum of paranoid word wrangle
Thinkin you sick with a sihlouette, burn transit cop out his plain clothes
I'm America!! This is where the pain grows like poppies
in a Field of Dreams I paid for, I'll burn it down if operated sloppily
COPY? My economic sanction rhyme style got your syllables
scraping for rice and riding in a green 1960 jalopy
My favorite flavour of gas is mustard
I'm #in a blind hermaphrodite icon and convincin you that it's justice!

"Who's America? Who's America? Who's America? Who's America?"
* DJ Mr. Len the Space Ghost cuts up "God damn!!" *

Treason will not be tolerated!
You have been enlisted.. into a lifestyle that you may not change!
Understand! You can't be happy.. and smile.. for the cameras!

posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 08:47 AM
reply to post by Bunken Drum


posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Rams59lb

When I first saw the headline to this article I was prepared to be offended as a very proud American but after reading the thread, seeing on my dinning room table newspapers reporting a lot of the same facts it became disturbing to me. I am still a very proud American, a military vet whom has served this country proudly but will have to admit that I am ashamed of our country and what it has turned into... I am sure I will draw in hatred for my thoughts on this topic but I would love to hear members points of view after reading the thread.

I think you should rephrase your statement to read that you are ashamed of the direction that certain people are attempting to take this Nation. At least that is the feeling which I am currently receiving from you, so I apologize if I am placing words in your mouth, but it appears that what you truly feel is being somewhat misconstrued through the singular claim of "I am ashamed of America". I hope I am correct, especially seeing that you are a Vet and all.

posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 10:33 PM
reply to post by Rams59lb

Very interesting article, however none of it is new news, and I don't see where I should be ashamed of America, or it's people, I am already ashamed of our government, and yes I know it is up to the people to change that, and we haven't, no one is taking the initiative to name a movement and give the people something to act on yet, but being American, I can tell you, someone will, and the people will react, it is never too late.

posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 09:39 AM
I'm an American and I am not ashamed. People judge the American people by what the government does. I have nothing to do with wars or deciet, and bullying. Just because we are Americans doesn't mean we agree with everything that is going on here. We contact our elected officials and speak our minds, we get angry like anyone else when we see injustice. Please do not say that we should be ashamed. We have nothing to be ashamed of. Blame the guilty, not the innocent.

posted on Jun, 21 2009 @ 10:49 AM
Hey guys-
Im not sure what to say. The actual title of this thread brought out both patriotism, anger and empathy before I even read it.

Where have we gone? Look where we've been? How could we 'spoil' and 'ruin' ourselves so badly so quickly. And, yes one could say 'Well I didn't do it, those capitalist elite elects did it.' But to them I say, If you didn't do anything to help stop it, they you're just as guilty.

Wasn't sure if anyone has seen this before but I think its a pretty funny, short synopsis of 'the credit crisis' (especially for novices such as I):

Thanks for the thread!

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