Calling all Obama supporters

reply to post by genius/idoit

It's interesting to me how history repeats itself. I was just a newborn when Jimmy Carter took office. I only know a little about his tenure as president, because no one thought he was a very good president. Iran is in the news again too. Peacebringers have never been seen as good presidents, unless that peace has been gained through war.

Obama has certainly gotten everyone's attention, even Bill Mahr(sp) has shouted out against him. Great men are easy to hate. There are many who still hate Abe Lincoln.

It takes more than the president to take action.. there are checks and balances. The US government has become so desperate, I don't think it matters who the president is.

If you don't see the similarities, then my post will make no sense.

We could use Ross Perot right now. or a really good Sec of Treasury.. or a really good Fed chairman that works for us instead of the Fed. or....a more balanced congress(but then we'd whine about how nothing gets done because of the lack of "reaching across the isle").

Originally posted by genius/idoit
sorry for the DP but I have yet to here one beneficial thing he has done for this country

CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE NEWSPAPERS.

And don't start on some "The Newspapers are feeding us bad information about Obama" and all that. As far as I know, a writer on Time, Mike Murphy wrote in the May 25, 2009 issue (Pakistan's Tears on the Cover) that:

"Instead of making tough policy decisions, Obama practices the politics he ran against."

And so on.

I see terms like "dishonest language", "sacred cows that voted Democratic last November are still mooing happier than ever": BASICALLY, the whole article is a great fat insulting write-up about Obama.

No surprise, Mike Murphy's a GOP political consultant and writer.

And yet, he provides some fantastic points. Because he has done his research and has done a fair amount of good work. When I read it, I have opinions, but I feel that he will not take them to mean I am "an Obamatron".

Let me name you some of the things he's done:

He has prevented GM from crashing. Can u imagine what a crash would have done?
He has reversed the bans placed on stem cell engineering. Which will no doubt create jobs and for a non-believer-of-God like me, I do not see what the problem is.
He has rallied pharmaceutical industries to toss aside profits and consider H1N1 vaccines for the social benefit and not the revenue.
He has shut Guantanamo and are now shifting political prisoners away from the torturous, against-ethics nightmare.
He has already begun shifting soldiers back home, helped by Eric Shinseki, Sec. of Veteran Affairs.
He has stimulated spending, effects of which will pick up soon by mid-2010, according to economists.

What has he NOT done?

He has not set in place healthcare benefits for people who cannot afford it - now, more than ever.
He proposes to cut back on federal grants and student loans.
He has not yet cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, though Steven Chu is helping him find alternative sources.
He has not begun negotiation with labor unions and educational unions, though Hilda Solis is lobbying for greater retraining for minority groups.
He has not put in place measures to make sure people who can't afford education CAN afford it.

I am still loyal.

There are problems.

But i am NOT "an Obamatron".

Originally posted by dragonking76
reply to post by genius/idoit

 

It's interesting to me how history repeats itself. I was just a newborn when Jimmy Carter took office. I only know a little about his tenure as president, because no one thought he was a very good president. Iran is in the news again too. Peacebringers have never been seen as good presidents, unless that peace has been gained through war.

Obama has certainly gotten everyone's attention, even Bill Mahr(sp) has shouted out against him. Great men are easy to hate. There are many who still hate Abe Lincoln.

It takes more than the president to take action.. there are checks and balances. The US government has become so desperate, I don't think it matters who the president is.

If you don't see the similarities, then my post will make no sense.

We could use Ross Perot right now. or a really good Sec of Treasury.. or a really good Fed chairman that works for us instead of the Fed. or....a more balanced congress(but then we'd whine about how nothing gets done because of the lack of "reaching across the isle").

Very true. Checks and balances are preventing policies from being implemented QUICKLY.

5 months only?!

What are the chances of the policies having been implemented AND its effects seen?

That is exactly what I am saying.

Ever heard of 'time-lag'?

America has the truest form of democracy in the world, closest to Athens' Pure Democracy System back in the Early Ages. NOTHING would ever get done (hence Athens' losses in wars) because their government would take FOREVER to put into place a policy. People would object, people would argue, people would fight...

Not unlike now.

It's ridiculous to cast such a definite shadow when he's IN FIVE MONTHS only.

At least, if you say something about his skin color and a conspiracy about his Muslim surname it would be more credible, because those have been fact throughout HIS WHOLE LIFE.

But it's very frowned upon, in this society, isn't it?

GOP would oppose Dems, Dems would oppose Dems, GOP would oppose GOP... Least we could do is support SOME of the people up there. Since I'm not supporting Palin or McCain, I guess I'm supporting Obama and Biden.

reply to post by KarlG

He has prevented GM from crashing. Can u imagine what a crash would have done? He has reversed the bans placed on stem cell engineering. Which will no doubt create jobs and for a non-believer-of-God like me, I do not see what the problem is. He has rallied pharmaceutical industries to toss aside profits and consider H1N1 vaccines for the social benefit and not the revenue. He has shut Guantanamo and are now shifting political prisoners away from the torturous, against-ethics nightmare. He has already begun shifting soldiers back home, helped by Eric Shinseki, Sec. of Veteran Affairs. He has stimulated spending, effects of which will pick up soon by mid-2010, according to economists.

GM has not crashed....hmm .stem cell engineering will create jobs........ok.he made pharm. company's care about people not profits....right.Guantanamo is shut down.......tell that to kalid sheik muhamid or whatever his name is.He has stimulated spending the effects of witch I might feel around mid 2010.........well I guess if we can wait that long we''ll see.

reply to post by genius/idoit


Anyway, I think you're a fine person to have brought up these points.

And earlier you already said you're patriotic.

And honestly, that's all that matters.



I need to do things. It's like 7.30 in the morning. GO DO STUFF! The day's young!

reply to post by KarlG

have good day thanks for the back and forth

Originally posted by KarlG
Don't understand that bit though, about the policies failing and America being better for it.

Explain to me (I am GENUINELY INTERESTED) Limbaugh's point. If OUR PRESIDENT'S POLICIES fail, OUR COUNTRY is better for it? inversely proportional?

That's such a paradox! I don't understand. EXPLAIN!

Well let me explain how someone could have the view that America is better off Obama fails. It is because he is a socialist/communist. So if you like being free and not living in a country full of lame a.sed people that look for the government to solve all of lifes problems for them then you want his policies to fail. Its kinda like hoping that Castro would fail if he was President of the USA.


If you like freedom and being able to live and die by your own choices, the you want Obama to fail.

If you are sick and tired of redistribution of wealth, you want Obama to fail.

If you like the idea of private business, you want Obama to fail.

If you do not like to see our President bend over and kiss the rest of the worlds ..., then you want Obama to fail.

If you believe our Founding Fathers created a great system and the Constitution are the best principles of government, you want Obama to fail.

ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC, ETC!!!!

Dont you think that Germany and the rest of the world have been better off if Hitler failed?

[edit on 16-6-2009 by grapesofraft]

You're right-- Obama didn't inherit any problems.

Ol' Georgie and the Boys left your country in ship-shape. They did a helluva job

That pesky Obama had to come along and ruin everything.

A plague a both his houses!! Drive him out!!

BRING BACK GEORGE AND DICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by eniac


Nobody is saying he did not inherit some problems, but he has made the worst possible choice at every turn.

If you are going broke you dont go out and spend a bunch of money on your credit cars, or borrow money to pay for your neighbors surgery, or give away part of your business to a foreign company.

Bad news people, we the people did not vote for our president! That is what the electorial college is for! If you live in a state like mine winner take all those votes. The current administration IS politics like always, no change, just a pretty package. I say how did a nobody senator come from nowhere and dethrone the democrat front runner to win nomination? He is a creation of the media. Get off the he's black thing or he's a muslim, he is creating his legacy and it's all about him and his cronies. All of that plays second fiddle when you ask what happens to all of these bailed-out banks and so forth when he is out if office. Bet that some sweet job's are waiting for them.

well this thread is 24 hours old and not one example of something obama has done to warrant an even 50% approval rating so I would have to say to all the obamacons out there maybe its time for you to rethink (or just think)your position.

reply to post by genius/idoit


When it comes to Obama, I'm not a fan of everything he's done.

Economically, meh I really don't like the bailouts and gov't ownership of GM.

However, when it comes to matters of foreign policy, and how our country acts and treats other countries, and how we behave ourself on the world stage, I am damn proud of Obama.

I watched his speech in Cairo last week, and unless he was lying out of his ass there (which I don't believe he was) he is actually trying to help foster peace in the region. He quoted the Koran numerous times, showing that he actually knows something about the religion of the people whom he is addressing, that's more than I can say about any previous president. He is doing exactly what we tried to do in Iraq, win hearts and minds, except the difference is that Obama uses words instead of guns, and for that, I have the utmost respect.

Obama is not perfect, I don't expect him to be. There is more in this game than just policies and law. Obama is good for this nation's soul. Racial tensions are down all over the country according to polls, and people are generally more optimistic about the future. Obama might be a lot of glitz, but he gives the people something to believe in, the hope of a better tomorrow, which is a lot more than I can say about his predecessors.

You guys are never happy huh?

Heres a question for you - what would the Republicans have done differently?

Before you answer, you need to seriously consider and be honest about the fact, that you've got to where you are now after 8 years of a Republican Presidency that fought two wars, and allowed the banks to run riot without decent regulation while presiding over the worst dollar exchange rates in many years and failing foreign markets (and who proposed the bailouts!!) and also had McCain running on a "more of the same" ticket (Same advisors, same financiers, same pressures as Bush and singing "bomb bomb bomb Iran")

Obama's had 5 months. Bush had 8 years

Lets have some decent perspective, please. If there was a Republican presidency right now, you'd be fairing no better.



[edit on 17/6/09 by neformore]

[edit on 17/6/09 by neformore]

reply to post by neformore

I have to strongly disagree. aside from the fact that your reply doesn't address the question in the OP I will explain why I think your mistaken.remember I said I was no Bush lover and I'm not pro McCain either but at least with McCain we would have had the balance of a divided house and senate and it would have kept these nitwits in check.Having an all democrat house and senate has allowed obama to run rampant over the constitution and implement his ideology unchecked.

reply to post by neformore


Nope we never are,as for what the Republicans accomplished how about dealing with old issues? Iraq was the U.S.'s own little monster dating back to the cold war. The focus on Osama who we helped create. The Bush administration went and tried to deal with old problems from some previous administration's. Do you wonder if the current unrest in Iran stems from a quasi-democracy right next door?

Change....indeed, and there's more to come....

reply to post by neformore


In my opinion, it doesn't matter LOL! The "US" has a time line to stick to and no matter who got in or how, what will happen was planned to happen.

Obama is just more "radical" and "cooler" and "new". An excellent magician. NLP in every address, strange mannerisms and shows like the fly killing.. just weird things.

His slogan was CHANGE..!? Wow, how.. shallow.

Originally posted by bommer09
reply to post by genius/idoit

 

When it comes to Obama, I'm not a fan of everything he's done.

Economically, meh I really don't like the bailouts and gov't ownership of GM.

However, when it comes to matters of foreign policy, and how our country acts and treats other countries, and how we behave ourself on the world stage, I am damn proud of Obama.

I watched his speech in Cairo last week, and unless he was lying out of his ass there (which I don't believe he was) he is actually trying to help foster peace in the region. He quoted the Koran numerous times, showing that he actually knows something about the religion of the people whom he is addressing, that's more than I can say about any previous president. He is doing exactly what we tried to do in Iraq, win hearts and minds, except the difference is that Obama uses words instead of guns, and for that, I have the utmost respect.

Obama is not perfect, I don't expect him to be. There is more in this game than just policies and law. Obama is good for this nation's soul. Racial tensions are down all over the country according to polls, and people are generally more optimistic about the future. Obama might be a lot of glitz, but he gives the people something to believe in, the hope of a better tomorrow, which is a lot more than I can say about his predecessors.

Are You kidding? I mean seriously You must be drinking some pretty powerful kool-aid if You like his foreign policy. If You haven't noticed NOTHING has changed. Our troops are still in Iraq and if they did leave they went to Afghanistan which is worse. N. Korea is still a problem and will be dealt with. The Iranians are still considered a threat. We have a very real possibility of WW3 in the next ten years and You are proud of Him. Oh Jeez I can't believe You people love and trust the same people that screw You day in and day out....


I hope You enjoy the new cap and trade taxes, the new 18% to 25% sales tax, government taking Your retirement, & national service..... I am starting to think You Obamaclowns are actually a bunch of free loaders that expect everyone else to pay Your way through life & if that is the case I can't wait for the government finances to crash and burn so You will get the same deal as me NOTHING!!!!

Originally posted by genius/idoit
The one thing I ask of you in responding to this question is don't tell me how he inherited all these problems from Bush(that excuse is as weak as Obama's foreign policy).He did not "inherit" anything

[edit on 15-6-2009 by genius/idoit]

First off may I call you by your last name???

Second, YES I am sorry, Bush did allow the economy to go to pot and all the delusional thinking on your behalf cannot change that.

We will see what happens... he did INHERIT a hot mess from your BOY!

"I DIDN'T LIKE BUSH"

But you'll carry his water!

Originally posted by bommer09
reply to post by genius/idoit

 

I watched his speech in Cairo last week, and unless he was lying out of his ass there (which I don't believe he was) he is actually trying to help foster peace in the region. He quoted the Koran numerous times, showing that he actually knows something about the religion of the people whom he is addressing, that's more than I can say about any previous president. He is doing exactly what we tried to do in Iraq, win hearts and minds, except the difference is that Obama uses words instead of guns, and for that, I have the utmost respect.

That alone is progress!!!

Wake up America, your times of biggest and best is in decline! Obama is doing a grand job of trying to keep you afloat

Hindsight Professionals unite You guys kill me!