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What is the conspircy against The Jews?

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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 07:03 PM
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I have just finished reading the Wikipedia timeline of antisemitism and it is pretty amazing to think the history behind racism directed at The Jewish People. And being an ATS reader I thought this would be a fitting place to ask. What is this long running conspiracy and what purpose does it serve?

The timeline can be found here.



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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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There isnt a conspiracy against jews, it is just that the jews control major financial institutions thus become a target for conspiracy's.......

I wonder if the timeline shows the transformation of the Zionists, from the abused to their more recent place in humanity as heartless abusers of world freedom?


[edit on 15-6-2009 by Master Shen long]



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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lol there is no conspiracy against the jews (although some of my relatives are convinced otherwise)

NOR

Do we control the world banks either

Since the Spanish inquisition, there are a portion of Jews who dress in a manner and isolate themselves from whatever society they live in, some for good reasons like diet, others because they are extremely devoted and lack a place of their own.

None the less... those Jews don't fit in anywhere and they also don't have nearly the numbers to be intimidating... so they are different, where ever they go and people... people just don't like a group of mysterious guys wearing black that are in... but not part of the culture... mysterious and off set to the rest... it seems cultish and even frightening

That's The real reason Jews are alienated where ever they go


Jews hated?

No

Normal assimilated jews are loved, they make up half of Hollywood, doctors... lawyers... smart people...

The extremist element of Jews confuses (even when totally pacifist) intimidates in a way and... most of all... simply is found to be rude, to never integrate, ever


It is both their survival trait and downfall... always outcast, the religion can hardly ever grow, it doesn't convert... always they go places and... are outcasts, by their own hand...

as a Jew, I honestly cringe when the Orthodox move to a neighborhood i'm in... I know I have weeks before the locals go from loving Jews to sprouting negative theories...



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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Read this link and it might answer your questions:

www.hebrewisraelites.org...

www.authenticjews.com...

www.angelfire.com...

Have a good one, and may your path reveal the TRUTH.





posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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I suspect that the only ones who will define the essence of a conspiracy against the Jews, are the Jewish people.

As far as I can tell, at some point in time, every group experiences some level of conspiracy..., and the Jewish are no more exemplary than any other group.

They do, however, do a great job of traditionalizing their culture, and sadly, such things are contagious.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:19 PM
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I'd agree that... the tribes were many... and that

The same particular group that Monopolizes the term Jew and chooses to speak for all of us is to blame...

But you would not be alone in this world as the only descendants un recognized by the orthodox sect that dominates the religion today



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by TravisYah
 


I'd agree that... the tribes were many... and that

The same particular group that Monopolizes the term Jew and chooses to speak for all of us is to blame...

But you would not be alone in this world as the only descendants un recognized by the orthodox sect that dominates the religion today



Any proof, evidence, theories, links or hints to why you think that? Keep in mind I'm not trying to belittle you, just trying to carry out a clean and factual discussion


The "orthodox" sects of today are whom btw? I can't formulate a response if I don't know who you're taking about. Oh and if you agree to those links I posted, then it states on their pages that the bloodline of Jacob did not/do not practice religion, so what "religion" are you talking about too?



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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Master Shen long
There isnt a conspiracy against jews, it is just that the jews control major financial institutions thus become a target for conspiracy's.......

I wonder if the timeline shows the transformation of the Zionists, from the abused to their more recent place in humanity as heartless abusers of world freedom?


[edit on 15-6-2009 by Master Shen long]


Okay, two things.
1) How can you say Jews control major financial institutions?
And are you saying that they have through out history?
2) If you can answer that question, why would you say that some Jews do?

Also I would assert that it is antisemitic to say that it is "Jews" that transformed into "Zionist" and abuse powers and are heartless. In fact that is the same rhetoric that has been spewed a long time, and you would see this if you looked at the timeline.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
lol there is no conspiracy against the jews (although some of my relatives are convinced otherwise)

NOR

Do we control the world banks either

Since the Spanish inquisition, there are a portion of Jews who dress in a manner and isolate themselves from whatever society they live in, some for good reasons like diet, others because they are extremely devoted and lack a place of their own.

None the less... those Jews don't fit in anywhere and they also don't have nearly the numbers to be intimidating... so they are different, where ever they go and people... people just don't like a group of mysterious guys wearing black that are in... but not part of the culture... mysterious and off set to the rest... it seems cultish and even frightening

That's The real reason Jews are alienated where ever they go


Jews hated?

No

Normal assimilated jews are loved, they make up half of Hollywood, doctors... lawyers... smart people...

The extremist element of Jews confuses (even when totally pacifist) intimidates in a way and... most of all... simply is found to be rude, to never integrate, ever


It is both their survival trait and downfall... always outcast, the religion can hardly ever grow, it doesn't convert... always they go places and... are outcasts, by their own hand...

as a Jew, I honestly cringe when the Orthodox move to a neighborhood i'm in... I know I have weeks before the locals go from loving Jews to sprouting negative theories...



Hitler did not discriminate Jews based on their style. And after the Spanish inqusition many Jews were foreced to dress different.

[edit on 15-6-2009 by omnifiction]



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
I suspect that the only ones who will define the essence of a conspiracy against the Jews, are the Jewish people.

As far as I can tell, at some point in time, every group experiences some level of conspiracy..., and the Jewish are no more exemplary than any other group.

They do, however, do a great job of traditionalizing their culture, and sadly, such things are contagious.


If you say this in honesty than I can assume that you did not look at the link provided, and I my self am not Jewish and clearly see a pattern.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 09:15 PM
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It would be a very, interesting conversation to have, at this moment I must head to the gym and do my daily detox for awhile before it is to late...

Really, it's a whole thread, and perhaps a good one

The Israelite headed in many directions at different times


Orthodox Judaism, began during the inquisition, It's focus is on a strict interpretation of the TALMUD, branches that spread from it include Hasidism and Lubavitch which originated in Northern Europe, Poland etc and Russia respectively

all can be defined as Orthodox

The dress code, practices and STRICT interpretation of the Talmud all were in response to persecution during the inquisition...

Today, it is this BRANCH of Israelite or Judaism if you will is the controlling force in both Zionism and the State of Israel

It literal defines very often what people think, when they think Jew


I simply offer that you are correct, that indeed African origin (ethnically) was a real aspect and basis of the people...

and another time perhaps I will take a day and list my beliefs as to where the various tribes scattered

I would add however

My children are part Black... but you would never know it by their blond hair and one has blue eyes, that what we know as RACE, tends to change very rapidly over just a few generations...

There are descendants of the tribes... all over the world, we should resist temptation to do what the Orthodox Jews have done and... lay claim to the throne



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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Read what I wrote just above...

What we see in this strict observance of the Talmud, this fastidious and to me obsessive practice of what i consider in the end to be psuedo Babylonian moral nonsense

It's just simply not what Judaism had become... it in fact has morphed in many directions many times...

An interesting fact about Judaism, compared to these Talmudic interpretations and odd dress codes was that at times it has been...

a very Eastern Religion

almost not even Monotheistic, but having a dualistic side to it in which the feminine divine was considered to be the other half of g-d


Like I said, I just was in agreement with the other poster in that... Black jews have been discarded entirely by the modern orthodox sect, not even allowed to return to Israel

They certainly do not represent all Jews, even if...

In Germany there was guilty by association involved, even today when Jews hear the words JEW UNDER ATTACK, we tend to group ourselves together

I myself prefer complete religious separation from modern orthodox sects, i find there to be...many mistakes, a culture that isolates itself and wrong interpretations of the facts as I have seen them to be...

This would include... (and I don't wish to nor can i start a thread now) my personal belief that... Israel is not even the Holy land, that Moses had planned to continue the journey much further away



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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Clearly there has always been a conspiracy against the Jews because there are real forces opposing God i.e. Satan and the fallen angels. God made very specific promises to the Jews that have not yet come to pass. Satan wants to to thwart the coming Messianic kingdom by any means possible. This goes back to Abraham's two sons Ishmael and Isaac. Islam's Satanic origin is obvious to anyone who understands bible prophecy because of their antisemitism and mistreatment of women.

I expect this situation will be reaching a climax of biblical proportions in the very near future. The next prophetic event that is lining up exactly as the Bible predicts is the Magog invasion of Ezekiel 38-39 - where Magog(Russia) and Persia(Iran) team up to attack Israel. You can literally watch Bible prophecy being fulfilled on CNN these days. North Korea supplies Iran and now has functional nukes... And amidst the chaos in Iran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will be meeting with President Dmitry Medvedev of Russia tomorrow June 16 2009.


www.jpost.com...



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:30 PM
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i would say try the search button here on ats..ill bet you would find hundreds of pages accusing jews and defending jews in every conspiracy possible..

some have valid points while others are complete rubbish...



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:58 PM
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The Roman persecution of Jews was both the cause and effect of the fact that Jews were a conquered people with a religion and culture quite different from their own. Rome had to keep the conquered down so they could not rise up and overthrow them.

Likewise when Christianity was in the ascendancy they didn't want any competition from any other faith, faction or denomination. Christians also persecuted the pagans and anyone else who thought differently from themselves.

And so the persecutions go from one century to the next. It was not until the modern state of Israel was founded that the Jews comprised a majority of the population of any country.

It was the condition of always being in the minority and always preserving their own culture within a dominant majority which both distinguished the Jews and their culture and made them feared and persecuted.

Today anti-Semitism often takes the form of hatred for the state of Israel. A lot of tired old fears and prejudices are often trotted out on ATS and in other forums, but the animosity still generally arises from the fact that Jews are no longer a conquered people subject to the laws, hatred and whims of a majority who would make them into bogeymen simply because they are unique.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Clearly there has always been a conspiracy against the Jews because there are real forces opposing God i.e. Satan and the fallen angels. God made very specific promises to the Jews that have not yet come to pass. Satan wants to to thwart the coming Messianic kingdom by any means possible. This goes back to Abraham's two sons Ishmael and Isaac. Islam's Satanic origin is obvious to anyone who understands bible prophecy because of their antisemitism and mistreatment of women.

I expect this situation will be reaching a climax of biblical proportions in the very near future. The next prophetic event that is lining up exactly as the Bible predicts is the Magog invasion of Ezekiel 38-39 - where Magog(Russia) and Persia(Iran) team up to attack Israel. You can literally watch Bible prophecy being fulfilled on CNN these days. North Korea supplies Iran and now has functional nukes... And amidst the chaos in Iran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will be meeting with President Dmitry Medvedev of Russia tomorrow June 16 2009.


www.jpost.com...


Blows my mind, thanks for the post. I take these biblical interpretations, which I am not familiar with, and translate them directly into my own theory, to be realised and released soon. It would seem this all has to do with the politics of money which the world religions have tied them selves around.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by open_eyeballs
i would say try the search button here on ats..ill bet you would find hundreds of pages accusing jews and defending jews in every conspiracy possible..

some have valid points while others are complete rubbish...


Used the search, nothing I have found holds water.
I would like to find something unified.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by Sestias
The Roman persecution of Jews was both the cause and effect of the fact that Jews were a conquered people with a religion and culture quite different from their own. Rome had to keep the conquered down so they could not rise up and overthrow them.

Likewise when Christianity was in the ascendancy they didn't want any competition from any other faith, faction or denomination. Christians also persecuted the pagans and anyone else who thought differently from themselves.

And so the persecutions go from one century to the next. It was not until the modern state of Israel was founded that the Jews comprised a majority of the population of any country.

It was the condition of always being in the minority and always preserving their own culture within a dominant majority which both distinguished the Jews and their culture and made them feared and persecuted.

Today anti-Semitism often takes the form of hatred for the state of Israel. A lot of tired old fears and prejudices are often trotted out on ATS and in other forums, but the animosity still generally arises from the fact that Jews are no longer a conquered people subject to the laws, hatred and whims of a majority who would make them into bogeymen simply because they are unique.


Well really, I cant debunk this. But I would say it is alarming to look at the link I provided given it is just a simple case of "not like me jitters".



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