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Neo-Nazis are in the Army now

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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Neo-Nazis are in the Army now


www.salon.com

June 15, 2009 | On a muggy Florida evening in 2008, I meet Iraq War veteran Forrest Fogarty in the Winghouse, a little bar-restaurant on the outskirts of Tampa, his favorite hangout. He told me on the phone I would recognize him by his skinhead. Sure enough, when I spot a white guy at a table by the door with a shaved head, white tank top and bulging muscles, I know it can only be him.

Over a plate of chicken wings, he tells me about his path into the white-power movement.
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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 12:56 PM
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Salon takes an in depth look at the current state of White Supremacy in the US Armed Forces.

Follow the story of Forrest Fogarty as he tells the story of his life. Beginning at age 14 when he first decided to become a Neo-Nazi, all the way to his service in the US Army as a trooper in Iraq, and afterwards as a regular old civilian living in America's deep south.

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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 01:05 PM
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This is not new, the Aryan Nations and other right-wing extremist groups have been infiltrating the US military for more than a decade.

Go out to where there are a lot of white-power types and they will even brag about it.

Other elements, like Dominionists and the like, have also been doing the same thing.

There are multiple reasons for this: access to weaponry, training to use it, and the ability to influence the .mil and recruit from within it.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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You said :
This is not new, the Aryan Nations and other right-wing extremist groups have been infiltrating the US military for more than a decade.

Fair enough.

But, considering that the Army's own recruting guidelines point out that White Supremacist tatoos are a red flag, the article goes on to say -



Army regulations prohibit soldiers from participating in racist groups, and recruiters are instructed to keep an eye out for suspicious tattoos. Before signing on the dotted line, enlistees are required to explain any tattoos. At a Tampa recruitment office, though, Fogarty sailed right through the signup process. "They just told me to write an explanation of each tattoo, and I made up some stuff, and that was that," he says. Soon he was posted to Fort Stewart in Georgia, where he became part of the 3rd Infantry Division.

Source : Salon.com

This is really the point of this article - that Army says one thing and does another.

Certainly this is only one example of many ...



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 01:36 PM
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Pathetic. I would never sign up to serve my country with fellow idiots like that guy. And I'm the type of person our military needs most nowadays as I'm sure many on here are. The military will soon be made up of the scum of society ruled by the elites.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 01:40 PM
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That dude in the pic looks a dead ringer for my ex. except for the tats and nice physique. He was an Army recruiter from Louisville (or Lewavull). Hmmm? Something odd is going on here.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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You said :
Something odd is going on here.

My 'gut' tells me that's an understatement !



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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It's funny... the military is used as a catch-all by whatever party is in power as a huge scare tactic for the "folks back home." Before this, all the stories were about illegals and non-citizens who joined up and were accused by propaganda press as being dangerous, enemy infiltrators. Before that, the big story was of gang-bangers who joined up and learned weapons training and military tactics to be used on the streets back at home in drug wars.

While I'm sure there is a bit of truth to all of these things, the real story is how each of these different approaches used to strike fear into the hearts of the populace, also created a vast amount of mistrust for the military. No one ever talks about the patriotism and self-sacrifice involved with those who volunteer and shed their blood for this country (or if they do, they are marginalized as a bunch of war-mongering hicks.)

This article is just sad... and an extreme example of a rotten apple spoiling the whole bunch. The author should be ashamed... as should those who read this crap and eye up every buzz-cut white man and woman in the service as a bunch of dangerous rascists... or latino, asian and black as lethally trained drug gang members... or every brown man or woman as ticking time bombs of anti-American hate.



[edit on 6/15/09 by larphillips]



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 02:06 PM
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This has been going on for years, this is not news.

When I was in basic training in 1999 we had a guy get kicked out for some questionable tatoos. Apparently he made it through MEPS due to the tatoos not being well known at the time.

Around 2002 when I was stationed at Fort Hood, we had a wanna be Aryan nations member in my battalion.

When I was stationed in Germany in 2004 we had another Aryan nations guy in the unit.

The US military for the most part is a reflection of society. Your going to find at least one white supremacist in every unit.

That said we had far more racist hispanics and african americans with past gang affiliation.


[edit on 15/6/09 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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This is not anything new, and it's not just the last decade either. I served in the mid-80's and they were there then, and had been since, well, since the 'white power' movement started. You will find every type of person in the military that you find in the civilian populace. The microscope is just more focused on them now, that's all.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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My own sense is that as more and more people 'wake up' to why we are really in Iraq, and what the mission of Northcom really is, fewer and fewer 'qualified' people are interested in joining up ...

Hence, recruiters, in order to make their quotas, have to continue 'lowering the bar' ...

What we are seeing is the 'lowest common denominator' of human nature rearing it's ugly head ...

And all that being said, I am sure these fellows make great soldiers ...

But, finally, what is this situation saying to the world at large, and hopefully to Americans as well ?

Answer : Nothing very good ...



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 02:24 PM
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90% of the neo-nazis in america are just actors hired by Mossad. Look for these skin-head soldiers to stage (and i do mean stage) some anti-Israel protest that the ADL will tout as proof of anti-semitism in the military.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by Make Speed Limit 45
90% of the neo-nazis in america are just actors hired by Mossad. Look for these skin-head soldiers to stage (and i do mean stage) some anti-Israel protest that the ADL will tout as proof of anti-semitism in the military.



Thanks for the comic relief !

This is a depressing subject !!



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Nothing new at all. It is widely known gangs of all ethnic backgrounds send some members to the military. Why? For training. Members do 1 tour in the military, come home, and train the rest of the gang on tactics, weapons use, etc.

This has been going on for years. Probably longer than we all would like to admit. Another good reason to get firearm training yourself. Real firearm training. Watching The Matrix, Rambo, and Commando, don't count.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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It is widely known gangs of all ethnic backgrounds send some members to the military.

This all news to me ...

What you say makes sense ... it's almost like the 'system' is encouraging it ...

What a mess !!



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 05:22 PM
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Ya the only thing we can hope is these gang members find a sense of purpose and pride in their country and what they do with their own lives. Hopefully before they come back home they learn the errs of their former life.

Knowing many gang members have military-style training scares me. Add criminals become better criminals when they come out of jail, we normal citizens are out-gunned and out-classed. Also, the American Judicial system gives criminals more rights with opportunity to sue the victim for damages and losses.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 05:53 PM
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Haha... yeah.. I'm sure recruiters, strapped with quotas, are looking out...

There are many extremists in the military... heck there are islamofascists in the military...

When I was in boot camp, there were gang members who signed up just to escape gang-style retribution in some cases.


There are a few reasons folks join the military... from needing a job, to family pride or even a sense of patriotism... but the standards are so low that it's also a great place for the underbelly of society to call home...



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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We have a former KKK member in the Senate, so it shouldn't be surprising that we have a few "gang-bangers" in the Army. If "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is good enough for the gays..........



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 06:27 PM
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I thought the American military is famous for its ability to overcome racism in its ranks and get people of all backgrounds together to get the job done.

From the article I get the impression that racism is actually an asset for a soldier in the middle east. I guess it's necessary to hate the people you have to kill.

But I can't see how these white supremacists manage to work with people of different races without incident. You would think their hatred would be hard to hide. The brass would have to be doing some serious looking the other way.

I know the U.S. needs cannon fodder for the war in Iraq, so maybe it's better that it's a white supremacist than some more valuable human being, though that sounds pretty cold.

Ideally, the army should be able to change people for the better. It looks, though, like some people are changing the army for the worse.

The military needs to maintain some standards, especially for officers. Otherwise the morale will be destroyed.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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what do you expect the Army to recruit a bunch of love filled hippie pacifists?

no, they will take anyone that signs on the dotted line lol

i support dont ask dont tell - its not the governments business what your belief system is

our military is open to almost everyone who does not commit felonies

as long as soldiers follow orders, i do not think the leadership is worried




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