My guess is he's either BNP or a Pub Landlord.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion - even if it is ludicrously stupid.

The Para.

Originally posted by PrisonerOfSociety

Originally posted by andy1033
If you think that bad, i have been mind raped for 17 years.

The police have all these techs for years, and the government in uk. They have not let me live a single second of my life for 17 years, in london.

SO think yourself lucky these weapons are not used on you in england also. They must be doing this to many people in uk, but most people would not even know.

andy1033, you write that every post, when the thread relates to police.

What's up dude? Can you describe in detail what the problem is? Perhaps create a dedicated thread of your own.

I was about to post these exact words. If andy is up to his own thread on his experiences, i'm sure it would make great reading here on ATS.

Would certainly save a lot of guessing every time.

CX.

man, i can't believe this happened where i walk just about everyday. i hope this doesn't happen to me on saturday. it's normally everyday people attacking you in nottingham, now the bacon

Im sorry but i beleive the police did everything they could in that situation. That man could have had a sub machine gun, grenades or a hunting knife on him. They had to get him down before he had a chance to pull anything dangerous on them.

I've held back from this post as in the past i've labelled as a police apologist (if thats the rights word?).

However i do feel it is neccessary for those who have not got experience of restraining someone, to hear what it is like.

Just for the record, from the video, i too think the force is a bit excessive, however we are only seeing the aftermath.

I know when i was in the military police (and i'm not sure if it's the same as the civillian police), we were bound (to a degree) of using recognised police holds. Arm locks, wrist locks and the usual holds that you use as an officer.

However there were a few times when it was just not possible to appply a hold due to the size and strength of the guy i was arresting. I have seen a couple of times, an officer having to punch a guys arm (either that or use a baton) in order for the arm to tire enough to apply a hold and keep him and us safe.

The worst one i personaly ever dealt with, was a huge soldier who would quite happily trash a bar when he had a few drinks and was provoked. On several occasions i have seen him led to the van by his nuts! It saved a whole heap of injuries to others.

I actualy spoke to my boss once regarding the force i has to use on a guy, as i thought it was neccessary, but a bit OTT. I was told that you do what you have to do to "end up in a recognized police hold".

So i'm saying, there are times when you come up against a guy you cannot afford to let get the better of you, as he will be a danger to others. Sometimes these situations require what apears to be excessive force.

I don't know, i respect everyones opinions here and still think theres not enough info to comment on. I would, have thought that two tazes would be enough to make anyone stay put without punching them too.

That said, the guy in the vid didn't look that small, i'm not sure i'd want him to get up any time soon if i was restraining him.

CX.

i dont know if the police was scared of the publics reaction or looking for a revolt lol but today i saw 6 cops in nottingam from market sqaure. I dont think i've seee the amount of cops at once.

Maybe they was trying to resure people they actually have some friendly decent cops.

Nottingham still is great even with the really phyco cops

Originally posted by thecrow001

Maybe they was trying to resure people they actually have some friendly decent cops.

Nottingham still is great even with the really phyco cops

This is the thing, there are some great cops out there still, it's just crap when the minority give them a bad name.

As for Nottingham, all i ever used to hear about was how it was the gun capital of Britain etc etc, but on the few occasions i've been there, i found the people and the place lovely.

I'm sure it has it's exceptions, but doesn't everywhere?

CX.

The police here in scouseland have no time for beating anyone up as they are all in their cars and vans hiding behind bushes trying to get that most horrendous of all of lifes criminals- "speeders!" They don't sully themselves by arresting thieves, rapists and burglars. There's no money to be made in that. . .
Instead we have the pretend police, community wardens, patrolling the streets who are far too old to attack anyone as their average age is about 65. . . With the good weather we're having at the moment the poor buggers can hardly breath.

Being serious for a moment, could the police's over the top action not be down to the high gun crime in that area? Even if it is, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
Even if it is, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I'm sorry, but in England that went out the window YEARS ago. Now it's "you a member of the public? Right, you're guilty"

Now, with this case, the guy had been ejected from a club by bouncers, who'd called the police. Reports suggest that the man punched out a coppers tooth, so he needed to be subdued and blah blah. But once tasered, that should have been it, from an impartial professional policeman point of view. Saying he was still resisting arrest is rubbish, once tasered, you're pretty much at the mercy of whoever for the next minute or so, as your muscles get back to normal. There wasn't any need to dead arm him, he was convulting on the floor FFS

It was revenge cos one of their own took a whack around the chops. IMO. Pure and simple.

And wholst i have always had a massively engrained hatred for the police, I can half sympathise with them on this case, but i still think that reasonable force was left behind, because he'd assauted one of them.

Originally posted by Acidtastic
And wholst i have always had a massively engrained hatred for the police,

I have noticed from your previous posts that you aren't exactly fond of the police lol, but your comment there interests me greatly.

Do you think that a true hatred for the police comes from many negative dealings with them, or can people develope a hatred for the police without ever having been involved with them?

The reason i ask is because i, as you probably know by now, think most of the police do a great job. Yes theres a few bad apples, but i opften stick up for the ones that are just doing thier job to the best of thier abilities.

I have repsect for the police and probably always will have....however....

After reading through this thread, i typed in "Police brutality" on YouTube. I think i watched about ten minutes of videos where police have been caught using over the top violence.

By the end of those ten minutes, a very short space of time when you think of it.....i felt genuine hatred towards the police. I switched off YouTube and all i could think of was what scum the police were.

The sad thing is, for a moment i wasn't thinking to myself, "Oh but thats just a few bad ones".

Within a few minutes of watching some rather nasty treatment being dished out, i had given ALL police a blanket negative label.

Now having turned YouTube off, i am sat here again knowing that there are many good cops out there to balance out these idiots that we are talking about.

I just worry that if i felt like that after just a few minutes, if someone has a deep hatred of the police, and emerses themselves in these videos and way of thinking all the time, what on earth must they be setting themselves up for?

There are many people here on ATS that have a deep deep hatred for the police. That worries me greatly.

If they've had personal bad dealings with them, then maybe it's justified to some degree, but i do wonder how many people here are developing a deep rooted hatred from just listening to stories here and watching a few videos?

Acidtastic, this is not a personal dig at yourself, your comment just got me thinking about many members in general thats all.

CX.