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Violence over talk, sounds like a truly rational person. If confrontation were actually to occur between us ill admit that ill probably loose. Violence isn't my strong suit I'm more of a person of thought. Careful your true colors may be bleeding through think of something. Maybe you can convince people that i'm the antichrist. I wont fight you probably because your a disabled vet and i kinda dont feel like paying for any damages i may cause.
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[edit on 16-6-2009 by SchefSalad]

I leave this thread with a couple of quotes from a wise man (though I'm sure he'd disagree)

To those that know and understand what the cause is:
"I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend”

To the brainwashed Obama drones:
“hope is not victory”

To those that value money above all else:
"If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."

To those who simply accept that they're slaves of the system:
'What do you fear my lady?'
'A cage. To stay behind bars until use and old age accept them and all chance of valor has gone beyond beyond recall or desire.'

And this one specifically, who either willfully or otherwise, ignore that, that is about them, and on top of that, choose to ruin those that wish to do something about it: (it's a chinese proverb, not exactly related to the author I speak of, but I felt it fitting)

"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the one doing it."

It is obvious here that many here have chosen the side of a rogue govt. A govt. that has decided to no longer acknowledge our inalienable rights, and has decided that they see us as "GUILTY until proven innocent" instead of the other way around. Since it is obvious that many here (yes, you Hunka, among many) have decided to close your eyes and go back to whatever utopian illusion you created to yourself. It is evident that nothing will change your minds. So I have no reason to stay here and bicker further with people that can easily be considered as sympathizers to the very con artists that have ruined all that our founding fathers tried to build.

One thing I always learned from having to deal with bullies in my youth is to "Never allow your enemies to speak, unless it's of surrender. Otherwise they will try to swoon you into believing the very LIE and go against the very PRINCIPLES you are trying to defend"

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As do i naturally, though i think my way is much more effective.

Enough.

Discuss the subject matter, which is NOT each other.

Any further posts that are off topic, threatening, or directed at another member will be removed.

Apologies to the board

There will be no second revolution because, for the most part, americans have no spine about them anymore! Their levels of courage have diminished along with their will to survive! Those who do have that courage have already been labeled by the gov't, according to the patriot act, domestic terrorists!

We figure that we'll let somebody else handle our fighting for us because we might lose some of our playthings like that big motor home we slaved for over the past 35 years, and that new harley davidson and the new jet ski that was purchased to ride on our summer vacation home we bought down at the lake 20 years ago!

Sacrifice today by americans means that they'll only eat 2 double cheeseburgers instead of the usual 3, and have only a single batch of curly fries! Americans have become so superficial and self-centered that anything that doesn't directly invade their way of life is nothing to them! It just doesnt't matter at all if their neighbor lost their job, is out of groceries, the repo man just hauled off their car, and their kids got sick last week! Naaaa, everything is hunky-dory in their so-called "My World "!

Look at Iran? What's happening in Iran is exactly what should've happened here in america back during the election of 2000! But it didn't! Americans just walked around, paraded their little protest signs and got laughed at big time by the new world order, and as expected, went back to sleep, just like the good little sheep were expected to do!

Well guess what america? We're in big trouble now, and protesting is going to do nothing to solve any of it! We dug our own hole by doing nothing for the past 40 years, and now we're paying for it!

The anonymous, long-term writer at Asia Times who goes by the pen name of "Spengler" once wrote that the sign a nation is truly on the ropes is when it begins to sell its women to foreigners. He cited examples of Russia and recent Iran, to mention nothing of the problem in East Asia, Africa, South America, and elsewhere. If/when we see American women being snapped up as "mail-order brides" by foreigners abroad, I would agree with Spengler that it would be an indicator of serious, terminal decline relative to the rest of the world.

HOw to revolt without having the US Army turn you into swiss cheese::
NONVIOLENT APPROACH:
Start to organize a group, with like minded individuals in real life, meetings, discussions, protests etc.
Get everyone in your group to go and receive the biggest loans you can from any bank franchise you choose, then all default on the loans, dont pay a penny.
My version of the bailout for working class. (this is called Skeetology, the pullout method. haha)
If enough people around the nation do this, it will make them fail. Use the money from everyone's loans, pool it together and start your own community somewhere rural.
I have started a small pocket in my town. it may just be a couple hundred but it is growing. groups all over the nation are gearing up for something that should have already happened. seek out a group near you and join, but try to maintain nonviolence.
But be warned and be careful, as you see on the news, the FBI, Homeland Security, and NWO are also actively seeking out these "terrorist cells"

tread softly but carry a big stick. dont let them take our freedoms laying down.
THe only other option is to fight, which I am trying to avoid, another civil war will be very messy

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Originally posted by thewind
There will be no second revolution because, for the most part, americans have no spine about them anymore! Their levels of courage have diminished along with their will to survive! Those who do have that courage have already been labeled by the gov't, according to the patriot act, domestic terrorists!

We figure that we'll let somebody else handle our fighting for us because we might lose some of our playthings like that big motor home we slaved for over the past 35 years, and that new harley davidson and the new jet ski that was purchased to ride on our summer vacation home we bought down at the lake 20 years ago!

I completely agree with what you say. Too many americans are too lazy, or are too comfy to want to do anything. They DO expect someone else to do the fighting for them. But here's a question for you. If WE DO... If the few of us that have the courage to, actually revolt, and as you say "Do the fighting for them" will those that are NOT going to participate be willing then, to have the decency simply STAY OUT OF OUR WAY or go hide in a hole somewhere?

Or are we gonna have to worry about the other so called "patriots" who have no spine, and would rather continue supporting this rogue govt.? I'm sure that if an armed revolution came to fruition, I'm sure those revolutionaries/terrorists don't need to deal with, or coddle the cowards who willingly gave up their rights to the oppressors.

Originally posted by Question
I completely agree with what you say. Too many americans are too lazy, or are too comfy to want to do anything. They DO expect someone else to do the fighting for them.

Its all a matter of how bad things get. As I noted in an earlier quote, a British general (I forget his name) once said something to the effect that the entire "civilized" world is only two missed meals away from raw anarchy. Suppose you started actually missing meals. You get hungry enough, and you will smash a grocery store window and grab what you can. Is this "revolution"? Is it "anarchy?" Is it "standing up for your rights?" The question is open to various interpretations, but whatever you choose to call it, it is an act of violence and desperation.

The Amercian people are comfy n' cozy for now...but for how long? Once a critical mass loses their homes or jobs or sees their level of life deteriorate to a low enough level, you WILL see mass violence. This is just as true for Americans as for any other nationality.

Originally posted by TriggerFish


Which presents another problem, how do you fight the NWO when
the Old World Order is firmly entrenched in every city in America?

You get out of the cities. Just abandon them to themselves. They will implode.