Is Access to Health Care a Basic Human Right?

reply to post by Tinman67


Well who is making all this money. Every hospital run around wanting money because it is going broke. Doctors are all bitching about the cost of malpractice insurance. We got illegal aliens flocking in the hospitals for free care while we all pay out the butt for it... What is up with that?

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by mikerussellus

 

I wholeheartedly agree! Change does not start in DC, it starts with us. Remember, the first three words of the Constitution are "We The People"!

Then there ya' go! Forget the whole healthcare as a rights issue, look at smaller communities who are pooling their talents and have basic health plans for those in the community. A pay-as-you-go plan. There has been topics on it in the past, even on the news. Although it's not talked about much because it is successful and government isn't involved.

reply to post by grapesofraft


Getting rid of taxes is not the solution. Smarter use of the tax money is the answer. Instead of funding research on the migration patterns of the Yellowbilled Snipe, fund the repairs of our crumbling infrastructure. Instead of funding a war to remove a dictator in a far off foriegn nation, fund health care reform. And don't even get me started on the money wasted on the failed 'War on Drugs'!

I like the model of St. Jude Children's Hospital as an example. Shriners is another good one. Charitable institutions are best suited to provide discounted or free care to those who can not afford it.

The government has no business being involved in your health care choices. If the government which is the people have to foot the bill then it makes everyone poorer including the working poor and the middle class.

Give Dr.s a tax break for donating services at a discount if you want the government involved. Don't make it a mandatory tax increase for everyone and further bloat the already bloated and inefficient system.

This entire line of thinking is the something for nothing attitude. This whole we will just print all the money we need to pay for everything kind of attitude has bankrupted the United States and it is attitudes like this that will bring this nation to its knees. We already have over 50 trillion in obligations we can not pay.

Universal health care will simply bring on the demise of the US that much faster.

Also what about all the money insurance companies or the government has to pay out for people who smoke until they get lung cancer, or eat until they are obese, or drink until their liver explodes? I say maybe we help out for a bit, but once it gets past a certain stage it comes out of their pocket or they are just left to die. Its not like they didnt know better. I say we just tell them sorry about your luck, Chuck.. Adios, your a ghost!

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reply to post by JaxonRoberts


What is wrong with getting rid of as many taxes as possible. It is not like the government has ever done anything efficient. Lets just privatize as much as we can and cut the taxes and let people find the cheapest provider. Competition is good.

reply to post by UFOTECH


Great points. I starred you and made you a friend.
Have you ever really thought about why people in homes need a fire dept. Why cant we just have a box full of hoses by the fire valves and all the neighbors hook them up and put the fire out.

I am surprised by these comments. Every human on this earth should have healthcare, no charge. Work work work work, money money money. I believe these words have taken over your minds. Just take a look at the technology we have today. No one should be suffering. No man, woman, child, dog or cat.

It's a shame we can't get passed war, the color of ones skin, looks, the list goes on. Another 25 years and change will come, the current generations need to die off, may sound cruel but time will eventually solve everything. The greedy money power hungry 'elites' need to disappear.

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

 

What is wrong with getting rid of as many taxes as possible. It is not like the government has ever done anything efficient. Lets just privatize as much as we can and cut the taxes and let people find the cheapest provider. Competition is good.

Nice idea, but have you looked at who we have in the White House? We're going to be taxed into a new serfdom. Big Brother will be there to take care of everything. They will tell you where to work, how much to get paid, where to live, what to eat, what to wear, and what to drive.

It's a brave new world. . . .



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reply to post by 3Rotary


Well now you have my interest. Tell me how this magical world will work in 25 years after all of us greedy people die off. I bet it will be great when we have a whole world full of people that are not able to take responsiblity for themselves.

reply to post by mikerussellus


Yeah I hear you. It is absolute insanity. This country is on the fast track to hell. I figure by the time we drive this baby into communism, the Chinese will be well on their way to democracy and I can just jump ship

Originally posted by 3Rotary
I am surprised by these comments. Every human on this earth should have healthcare, no charge. Work work work work, money money money. I believe these words have taken over your minds. Just take a look at the technology we have today. No one should be suffering. No man, woman, child, dog or cat.

It's a shame we can't get passed war, the color of ones skin, looks, the list goes on. Another 25 years and change will come, the current generations need to die off, may sound cruel but time will eventually solve everything. The greedy money power hungry 'elites' need to disappear.

Actually some places have tried that approach.. China, Cuba, USSR, N Korea, . . . .
Sadly we ain't that evolved yet.

Yes it is a basic human right, along with suitable and attractive housing, land and adequate food and nutrition. This dog eat dog, fascist, patriarchal primitive negative world has to end and ensure its a win/win for everyone, the vulnerable are helped and provided for equally, and everyone helps each other out. Period.

reply to post by 3Rotary


I am guessing this is the Star Trek universe you live in. Am I right?

Perhaps you are a trust fund kid? I just do not understand the line work work work money money money. In the world I live in you produce and are paid for your production with money. Perhaps things are done different in your world?

reply to post by mystiq


It was never meant to be win win for everybody. It is as good for humans as it is for animals to have survival of the fitest. Making everybody equal lowers us all to some common form of pathetic shared life where nobody ever feels real highs or real lows. Some of the best lessons in life are learned when the chips are down.

The only thing that will be accomplished by making it mandatory to provide equally for everybody is some form of sad de-evolution of man. We all ready have enough of these policies in place that you can already see it happening.

reply to post by grapesofraft


Yeah, that Dr. is bitching about his malpractice insurance while driving to the County Club in his Ferrari. Here's a prime example: A few year's back, I broke my arm and went to the ER. I had to wait FIVE AND A HALF HOURS for the Orthopedic Surgeon to get out of surgery to look at my xray before they could set it. He came in, held the xray up to the overhead flourescent lights, and say "Go ahead and set it, it's fine." Then he left, never to be seen again. Two weeks later, I got his bill. EIGHT HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS!!!! Greed is the problem with our current health care system, pure and simple!

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


Yeah that doctor spent like 12 years of his adult life learning and 100's of 1000's of dollars getting that education. I guess he should have only charged you 50 dollars like the guy that unclogged your toilet, oh yeah I forgot even that guy charges $100/hr or more.

reply to post by 3Rotary

Work work work work, money money money

Well, how do you think the computer you are typing on got invented, and the internet connection you are on, and the car, and buss', and just about everything really.

Work Work Work, Money Money Money.

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I think the right question is do you have a right to live? If you say yes then the government shouldn't run the health care system, the government only cares about how much money they can pack in their pockets, you become nothing but a number to them when they provide health care.

Not to mention they can force you to do what ever they want you to do at that point. Still smoking? Pay up or we are going to dock your pay. Hey we got this new chip, take it or we are going to dock your pay, etc.

That is okay I'd rather be broke and free then broke and a slave.

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reply to post by mystiq


Perhaps when we have nanotechnology machines that build what we need by themselves from the trash piles of civilizations past or when we have machines that turn energy into the food and materials we need this model of a world you dream of will be a reality.

At the moment everyone has to put in effort to make things you need and deliver services you need in order to provide them to you. Those people get paid and that medium of exchange is then used to get the things they need.

Free market capitalism is the most progressive system on the planet at the moment. Communism and Socialism simply do not work without Star Trek technology to make something for nothing, or God like beings that can wave their hand and make miracles for us.

reply to post by mystiq


Communism is the perfect example of how an ideal is twisted by human nature. Greed works even better in those "peoples paradises".

In a democracy, at least EVERYONE is given the same chance as everyone else to succeed or fail. If you fail, then that is your choice, don't ask me to help out someone who won't even help themselves.

"Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish. . . " you know the line.

We're dealing with something as close to socialism as this country have even gotten.