Has Society broken down? What happened to RESPECT?, page 2
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reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 05:20 PM by masqua
The problem is one of high expectations cut low by reality.

Young people, for the past 40 years, have been spoonfed a constant stream of lies, both in the media and by politicians, telling them that great riches await for those willing to work. Note I said work, not work hard.

At the end of the 60's, a decade when youth rebelled against the establishment, they found defeat in their high ideals and submitted to working for a living. In the 70's and 80's, it was still possible to take on a job which provided enough income to allow the average family to own a home, raise kids and bank savings. Unions fought for better pay, working conditions, health care and pensions when someone retired after 30-40 years of labour.

Those days are, for the most part, over.

Today, the possibility of a life-long career is dwindling fast. Union jobs are in full flight and pensions are fast becoming a pipe dream. Health care is today one of the most hotly debated issues no matter what country you live in. Today, a man no longer provides for his family alone. The mother also works and, after deducting babysitting for pre-schoolers or paying for educational luxuries such as extra-curricular activities, there isn't much left.

On top of that, the demand for toys such as Playstations, iPods, cellphones, laptops and blackberries really cut into the expense of raising a family. All of those and much more are ingrained into the brilliant minds of young people by the companies that wish to sell them. Viral marketing is running rampant and, of course, highly effective.

The fact is that real income has not increased in 30 years, Rising inflation and a decreasing value of currency has stagnated the purchasing power of families at a time when the young people have been brainwashed into thinking that 'all is good' and that their future is bright.

Another fact is that even those young people who have the ability to go on through college and university, in the hopes of a better life, find themselves among a growing number of peers who cannot find the work for which they strove so hard through years of difficult and trying study.

A hopelessness is what is driving the seeming rise of disrespect and I don't blame them much for it.

Today, it isn't just the youth who are feeling betrayed, it's people of all ages. As thousands of jobs are lost daily in the once prosperous western world, the governments still make promises they cannot keep, companies still strive to tell you what mustneed, television still shows you how you should live, banks & credit cards keep on telling you what you can borrow, and the whirlpool keeps on sucking families into deeper and deeper debt.

Young people today are smart, savvy and streetwise. They can see what happened to the dreamworld that was built up around them and they are, to put it bluntly, pissed.

That's my opinion, for what it's worth. I could go on, but I'm afraid I'll only add to the ranting I've already succumbed to.

Don't blame the young for their disaffection... blame the preceding generations (like mine) for their blind greed, their apathy and their obvious inability to think about anything beyond themselves


reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 05:25 PM by Kaytagg
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I do not see any authority figure as being "sent by God," because there are no gods.

You must really believe that Obama/Bush Sr. Jr./Clinton/Nixon/etc are doing what's right for Americans. I hope you've reached this conclusion through lots of hard research and study, not because the bible says you should blindly follow the leader.

Last I checked, they were all crooks, who broke the very laws they're all too happy to slam we the citizens with if we break them.


So is the bible leading you in the right direction? Blindly following crooks?



reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 05:58 PM by OldThinker
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Sonya, yes! Its amazing how much respect can show other with some ole' fashioned, southern "eye-contact"

OT


reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 06:35 PM by Oatmeal
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I think it has been building since Watergate, then all of the presidents after that who messed up added to it, look at Clinton and then G.W. Bush



reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 06:59 PM by OldThinker
Originally posted by Oatmeal
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post by OldThinker



I think it has been building since Watergate, then all of the presidents after that who messed up added to it, look at Clinton and then G.W. Bush



Watergate sure broke trust with millions....

I dunno , I certainly worked for some a-hles, but always strived to respect the office/position...

OT

[edit on 14-6-2009 by OldThinker]


reply posted on 15-6-2009 @ 08:30 AM by masqua
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Yes, but 'cost of living' is calculated on the necessities and not 'new' necessities. In some ways, CoL is out of date in how it is calculated.

First of all, an understanding of what Median Wage means is necessary:

Here is a .pdf which explains it in the simplest terms:

www.mobilityagenda.org...

On pg. 9 is a graph which details the trend towards the growing gap between the top third and the bottom third of wage earners during the period 1979 and 2006.

Back in the 60's, a gallon of gas, the cost of a new car or a house was very inexpensive, but incomes were also low. What I'm saying is that the cost of living has increased more than the general income of the average family. Food, education and mortgages are the the things which no-one can do without, but there are other 'new' expectations as well and that's what I meant about iPods, laptops and Playstations. The new generations have come to accept such things as a necessity and would rather not do without them.

These expectations are adding to the cost of living while not listed as a factor in calculating the median wage. They are considered luxuries and yet most could not abide doing without them. In a way, they are required, since most jobs require some expertise in online communications. In my own experience, the job I had changed dramatically during the last 10-15 years and everything had to be logged into a software program which the company (energy production) had purchased.

Also, consider the cost of commuting. Living in a city center where most jobs are situated has become unavailable to most incomes and employees are required to travel long distances daily between their place of work and their residence.

When a person considers a job in the city (which may pay more) against a job in a local setting (suburbia), they may find that flipping burgers in a Mickey Dee might be better or equal to a job working for a large corporation downtown after the cost of the commute is factored in.

During the last few years, we have seen a frantic amount of apartment and condo building in city centers as a result of the cost of commuting. Even though this building boom has gone on for some time, I would say that the incomes of the bottom third of wage earners cannot in any way afford to make that move, causing the divide between the top and lowest thirds of wage scales to grow even further apart.

Hope that helps explain some of it.

Now, consider yourself a 20-something who is just emerging from the educational system and looking to the job market for a place to make a living. He or she has, by this time, found a partner and is considering marraige, a family and, perhaps even a house. What opportunity exists for them in this current economic disaster? Not much.

Looking to mom and dad for help? Well, if parent's are fortunate enough to not have lost their jobs or their house yet, they certainly haven't much left of their 401K.

That spells hopelessness. It wasn't great before the bottom fell out and it certainly isn't wonderful now. One thing is for sure, though, just about every young person is 'connected' to the web and they are letting their voices be heard. We see the discontent here as well as on the street, on the job and at the family supper table.

The youth today are not amused.


reply posted on 15-6-2009 @ 08:53 AM by xoxo stacie
You know MANY times people we know or have even met for the first time comment on how well mannered and respectful our children are. We saw early on the problem's we where going to have letting them continue in public school and just decided to have them privately schooled. Most of the children they went to school with have been in some form of trouble already and several are in the juvenile jail system. ( my own nephew is one of them)
I can't help but also blame the parents for not taking the time to lovingly teach their children how to respect "themselves" through kindness. One of the main problems today is that children aren't being "taught" to respect anyone, they are being taught to take what ever they can. It doesn't matter who is in the way family or not. It is really quite sad.
It is post's like this one and the thought's brought to it about how society has let go of what was once a given form of human nature. Not something people where forced to do but something they did because they had "respect" for themselves also.

I do think you are right about the mass media and viral marketing aimed towards children also. We have seen many time's how that turns out with a lot of people we know. I would say 99% of the time hind sight is 20/20, they should have listened to the parents who already dealt with it and not gone there. But in today's word it is everyone for themselves. Until we learn to put that aside we are going to have to deal with people who have no respect for themselves or anyone else.
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