this has been floating around ATS since it all started, just have to do a quick google search on ATS site and add it to that thread. .. but, for those who don't know about JT.. it's a good start ..

Think I may have been asleep since 2004 and only just woken up to log into ATS, was there a civil war in the US in 2005? and if so why is there never any mention of it in the news or American TV shows?

Probably came back from the future and changed his own history by warning the people in the past.

Sorry but what a load of bunkum.

Well since this is still open I shall post my two cents. (The mods are normally strict about this particular topic.)

I think it is important to remember that Titor said several times that this timeline is not exactly like his timeline... in fact his time line DID have the Y2K event where as we did not. So I find that fact important to reflect on when thinking on Titor.

As you can guess I believe his story. Everyone is entitled to an irrational belief this one is mine. I base it on the fact that many of the things he has spoken on came to pass. The war ,the poem, The high efficiency 3d solar cells, the politics all of it has come to pass and while we are not in a shooting war yet is that really so easy to dismiss. I mean with our economy and internal polices do you really think the US is NOT preparing to crack down on whomever they label as domestic terrorists?

I read Titors story and I believe it.... But I do so with the understanding that his timeline is different from ours and that we can not base what happened to him as gospel that will happen to us. I think some things will play out the same way... I think mad cow disease is an under reported problem ...especially with Alzheimer on a sharp rise... I think we will have our own N-day some day.... too many nukes in the world... at some point the nations that have them will use them. I think a civil war is inevitable and whats more, I think those with power, the rothschilds and bilderburgs etc etc. want this to happen so that they can use the war to their own advantage...

So I still urge any and all to look at his story with an open mind and to keep in mind that although his timeline is not our timeline .... the things that happened to his world can and most likely will happen to us.... just on a different time table.

I thought John titor had been exposed as that leader of the GFL crowd?

NO Mr. sarcastic pants. John Titor has not been proven to be the GFL leader.

To this day nobody has come forward to claim that they were john titor. At least not with any truth... Many liars have said that they were John Titor but just in case Titor told Pam to remember a certain song... If anyone who steps up to claim the John Titor title then they are asked to tell what that song was.. the song only Pam knows....

And to this day John Titor has never posted again... Not that anyone knows of at any rate.

Not another Titor thread..

What? Someone had to say it..

Titor is fun and all but... give me a break.

the only verifiable, concrete prediction mentioned here is the one about Civil War in 2005. and it didn't happen.

from where i stand right now, the whole thing's a joke. you can say that Titor's timeline is slightly different... what a cop-out. so we can focus on things which vaguely come true, and dismiss blatantly wrong predictions as being 'different timeline'. er... see anything wrong with this picture?

Titorite says that Titor made some predictions which came true in areas like physics: could someone please outline them briefly??? Given the information in this thread so far, no sane person should take the Titor story seriously.

I still think titor thing was part of some nsa thing, where they knew of certain things that where being planned.

Although i think the americans already have time travel and the nsa probably already has the tech.

I am glad I never got into this part of the ATS bundle...

I'll give him one for getting that poem right but I must say that time travel is way too complicated to talk about without either your brain exploding or a shouting match.

Still trying to get my thick head around this so bear with me.


So all this talk about JT actually BEING a time traveller is nonsense, before you flame listen to what I'm saying.

He's not a time traveller but a 'dimension traveller' there is no such thing as time travel as such but if you 'dimensionally jump' then you take a chance as to what period of man you land in, seeing as I understand or hear there are infinite dimensions and each is at a certain particular time.
We are here in ours here and now but there is one that is 1 minute behind where I ( my alter ego) is about to start typing this post, then there is another where I have already posted.
Plus ALL the others from my birth to my death, plus all the other inifinte dimensions during at least Earths history, present and future each based on , after and during decisions made, to be made?

So JT if he is a time traveller IS actually a dimension hopper and therefore ANY information given is not a 'prediction or prophesy' but a story about HIS particular dimension, and if it is the case that he came here to 'tell his story' of his dimension surely he could've seen what lead upto HIS 2005 civil war and noticed if any , any similarities to OUR stage. therefore warning US about ' if you continue to do 'X' then this will/may happen? .

So he didn't come here from OUR future just his world to one (ours) that is similar.

I don't / can't dismiss time travel ( having never experienced it myself) but find it unfeasible that people can get all excited about some person telling us 'X' happened / or will happen in ( insert date) as clearly if you know about it , it changes the outcome anyway, and if your from the future and you actually go to YOUR past and try to affect the history then surely your setting your own timeline up for a paradox, you know the type the old kill my grandkid as a kid paradox, where you kill your granddad when he's a kid , he doesn't have kids himself , so you can't be born to travel back and kill your own grandfather paradox. Time travel knock on effects would negate the possibility of interferring only to observe what HAS happened.

My thinking is this :

There's this person time travelling , his past is set and EVERYTHING has happened that allowed him to travel in time, if he interferres with ANYONE , either by talking , touching or interracting in ANY WAY, then he alters that persons personal timeline.
Now this individual the TT has interracted with had to make a choice |( something simple like turning left instead of right at a junction) the events of the past will alter the conclusion of the future, IF said individual is killed in a car crash BECAUSE he turned left instead of right then ALL the individuals actions words , intreractions with other people is erased, therefore paradox.
Every interaction we have with each other affects them AND us in some way, even if its a smile off a good looking person on in a lift / elevator, it makes you think about that person, ( enough to be of a wandering mind and not watching the road when you cross hypothetically) , a word can make you angry or sad or happy, every event that has happened now affects the future.
Now imagine a child in Iran for example , he's killed by accident but in another reality or even our own future he could hold the answer that saves us all.?
Surely any time traveller worth his salt and with ANY compassion or thought for HIS OWN WORLD would only OBSERVE the past and not interferre, to try and keep as minimum the contact as possible IN FEAR of altering or erasing his own world.

Anyone who claims they are from our future is wrong , unless he is the last person in the world and his last ever act to to change the catastrophic events that lead to his worlds demise, even then its a hell of a chance that the end result is any better than the one he left behind.

To tell us that we end our own world by doing 'x' should be listened to but to be totally honest, ANY person claiming to come from our future will have NO effect on the future of our world because TPTB want their way NOW and to hell with the future , they would be 'debriefed' i.e killed to be kept quiet and any technology /information stolen for their benefit and not ours.
SO if your claiming to be a time traveller then please don't advertise the fact to all and sundry, go to the people / person that can actually help make a difference, if you can find them.

Dimension travelling is fine as any interaction between traveller and indigenous inhabitants will not have any effect on the travellers reality or dimension, whereas ANY coincidental history ( if traveller is from a more futurist era) can be altered to make the end result more beneficial to the inhabitants. Like a 2009/2010 nuclear war here to be averted by someone whos own dimension who HAD the nuclear war happen .

confused you will be, I know I am.

[edit on 16/6/09 by DataWraith]

there has been a real possibility of a civil war since 2004 our only saving grace is most people in this country have become sheeple and does what the tv says to do. people are starting to wake up again witch is a good thing but i doubt it would come to violence unless 9-11 was proven to be an inside job(hasn't been proven either way) cause all of congress would have to have been involved in the cover up ,we would need a whole new system of government and the elite will not go down without a fight. Or if OBAMA lost the elction we would be seeing people doing whats going on in IRAN
as for nuke war its more possible now were destroying our defensive capabilities under this admin who will spend 700billion to save no more than 3 million jobs for4 yrs but wont spend 15 billion to secure our defense for 30 to 35 yrs, so if have no capability to use conventional military in all situations in the future that require it then the chance of nuke use goes up dramatically

but that may be what the elite want