Originally posted by Manouche
Amazing how in a few hours Iranians are turning from full hatred Arab devoted Muslims into well educated Westerners in the general comments.

Food for thought really.

And this is exactly what I have done. A complete 180 on how I view the majority of the people of that country. I was HATEFUL of them!

If this revolt does get crushed and they kill every single one of the people who oppose Sharia Law and Open Elections then I can safely continue the other 180 to a full 360 and go back to hating them

I mean how can you want anything but success for people risking it all to change their country? How can you NOT do a 180?

NWO will betray them. NWO doesn't like freedom. They will send them about 10-20 million cameras to make sure there are no terrorists in the streets. Just like back home... where the cotton grows...

I agree, they will probably try.
But the Iranian people have shown time and time again, they do not want a foreign power in charge.

They want the KING back.

theyve had western style leadership, now they have had islamic leadership.

I believe they will do the right thing this time.

They arent as weak and cowardish as the west.

Originally posted by Ace High
This is getting huge!

Tehran right now this vid is from tonight - Revolt is growing - more and more poeple join, this regime is near the collapse.

This new video from Iran shows many, many people, in fact a growing number of people in the streets at night.

Videos are interesting but there's no way of telling how representative they are of anything.

If we see 7,000 people in the streets that's 1 in ever 10,000 Iranian. What are the other 9,999 up to and thinking?

The government can counter with videos of whole towns celebrating Mr A's re-election, smiling children is schools, filled mosques, etc. Most Iranians only receive state run television. Maybe half the country is unaware this is happening.


Mike

Well... since the US had zero chance of invading Iran or taking over by any military op, it makes perfect sense to incite a revolt and see it blow up from the inside.

Thats why the world loves the US... or not.

Originally posted by mmiichael

The government can counter with videos of whole towns celebrating Mr A's re-election, smiling children is schools, filled mosques, etc. Most Iranians only receive state run television. Maybe half the country is unaware this is happening.


Mike

True, but those Iranians aren't getting beat for being on the streets.

I understand the limitations of video, but with a media and internet blackout going on, the fact that people are working hard to get these videos out should mean something.

Originally posted by Apollumi

Name a nation where youth running amok has changed anything. They will change NOTHING here.

First I have some hope that Iran may be going through some changes in attitude, but I'm not going to hold my breath. These things can go one of three ways...

1) Similar to the breakdown of the Soviet Union, which basically started when a group of ship workers went on strike in Poland and then picked up steam until countries were involved throughout Europe and beyond.

2) Crushed as in China.

3) Everyone just gets tired and hungry,goes home for a bite and a nap, and then get up and carry on as if nothing happened.

Now, in response to the quote...If I'm not mistaken there was a time when some youth running amok had quite a bit of influence. The place was the good ol' USA in the 1960's. Vietnam and the end of the draft (of which I am personally thankful, rotting in a jungle just didn't sound like a good choice of things to do after I graduated), the right to vote at 18, the whole start of the "eco-movement", womens rights, black power, the "pill" (another of my favorites), and some pretty decent music.

Peace, love and tie-dye, man.

Hmmmm, a great many consider pleasant words a truth and harsh ones a lie. Bathe me in pleasantness and put me to sleep says a man. Just because people have unlimited access to the internet and techno toys does not a righteous society make. Especially if they are likely to loose such fine toys soon. And,, ignorant people make casual judgments.

Wise words from a hateful foe below perhaps. How do you convince people of the harshness of the world, or even themselves, with which they have no ability to see because they lack eyes to see. How can you warn them of the ignorance which they embrace.


“You have destroyed us. You have killed us. You have made us live in destitution.”
“I have saved you from destitution and misery and destroyed your enemies, the Persians and Americans.”


Is slavery only brought about by shackles on your arms? The best slave after all is a slave that doesn't think he is. The Iranians shook off the West before and it was wise to do. The entitled youth would have these people become slaves again so they can be lost in the stupor of material wants (if they are lucky). These youth will be punished now and deservedly so. There will be no great riot of conquering college students. Only the quiet whimper of lost life and their parents mourning because their self entitled children gave up their life for flawed ideals, causing the parents to loose their investment and inheritance which a good child should have provided.

I am not comfortable with the revolution 'live' on screens like we are at the movies. They want us to see it all, but who and why ? If I were in the middle of a rebellion, I am not sure I would be hanging around the internet uploading videos...
Something is wrong. The regime can easily prevent the videos to flow out of Iran.
They have arrested Mousavi and people that took over the US Embassy during the Iranian Revolution. No way these are 'opponents'. It does not add up.
Maybe they let the riots happen to accuse the USA of inciting them, that's why we don't see a strong response from the police in the videos for now. They will arrest the leaders and claim they were backed and funded by the CIA. Then they will push a harder line against the US.
It would be dangerous plan.
Maybe that's why Obama remains silent. If he shows the tiniest support to the rioters, he will be pointed at by the mollahs.
New elections will be held though, they cannot go back now.

wOw, watching twitter its truely horrific.

- Tehran Uni has been locked off
- Tehran hospitals are being surrounded by secret police, and protestors entering with injuries are being turned away by the police
- People are being beaten to death in the streets and uni
- People have been shot
- Youtube is taking down videos/movies posted about the riots
- Riots are spreading to Shiraz and Ishfahan.


Today, the revolution will succeed or be killed!

Originally posted by zlots331

Originally posted by Apollumi

Name a nation where youth running amok has changed anything. They will change NOTHING here.

First I have some hope that Iran may be going through some changes in attitude, but I'm not going to hold my breath. These things can go one of three ways...

1) Similar to the breakdown of the Soviet Union, which basically started when a group of ship workers went on strike in Poland and then picked up steam until countries were involved throughout Europe and beyond.

2) Crushed as in China.

3) Everyone just gets tired and hungry,goes home for a bite and a nap, and then get up and carry on as if nothing happened.

Now, in response to the quote...If I'm not mistaken there was a time when some youth running amok had quite a bit of influence. The place was the good ol' USA in the 1960's. Vietnam and the end of the draft (of which I am personally thankful, rotting in a jungle just didn't sound like a good choice of things to do after I graduated), the right to vote at 18, the whole start of the "eco-movement", womens rights, black power, the "pill" (another of my favorites), and some pretty decent music.

Peace, love and tie-dye, man.

1) Those were workers. They generated money. Money is actually a representation of units of labor and labor is exchangeable. These things do have impact indeed. When blacks stop going to businesses it has impact. When (east) Indians stop working it has impact. You have to have workers to make changes, not kids who are not generating much more than ideals.

Heh heh.. In the future, when you are paying off bank bailouts, car manufacturer bailouts, etc to a group of foreign bankers be sure to look down at your wrists and imagine shackles.

2) This underfunded (as in passion) revolt will be crushed also.

3) Perhaps.


Women's rights? Lol, only to be taxed and generate cash flow. Women and men are not the same. Neither any less than the other but there are natural balances and unnatural ones. The pill? These things did not make for a better society. Better suiting to dissolving family and destroying morality. The Vietnam was was all about that money thing.

As I said before, you want revolution. Nobody go to work...