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Iranians Revolt - Latest News

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posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:19 AM
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thanks for clarifying, but you think they arm volunteer militia? that seems rather odd as well...


but yes, this is the pic. it looks like in the first bus, people are getting off. I may be wrong.

are you saying the busses are there to escort people out? or all those people are the basij...because i see women in the crowd at the first bus.

it also looks as if there is a gated off area specifically for the busses. so that would go with some coordinated effort with the busses...




posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:23 AM
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also, why is the word "POLICE" written in english on the polices uniforms, and not in their native language?



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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First, obviously its hard to get a complete picture of everything that is going on over there from a few pictures. You certainly must take personal acounts into consideration as well.

But to be honest, from those pics, it doesn seem to be too out of control. other than the night pic, things just seem as a large protest with no real chaos taking place.

you can even see policemen standing in a crowd and people surrounding them not even paying attention to them...just like you would see here in america during a protest. not chaos or revolution as it would seem the theme that is being generated here.

not saying some things have not gotten out of hand. surely with any large grouping of people, you are gunna have violence of some nature. it just doesnt seem as bad as some of the things i have read...again, going off these pics...there may be other damming evidence out there.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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The only common people I see, are the ones in the tunnel at the top.
To be honest, I could only speculate how or why the yare there.

Maybe they were walking through the sub tunnels, some of which have been closed off meaning they only had one way to go, and ended up here?

I only see a few groups in that centre laneway
The goup at the bottom left running south appear to be basij and police, with some basij physcally pushing around a women in black drab

In the top left i see a heap of police running south also, assuming there's a group down there

On the right hand side of the first bus I see police walking toward the second bus.

I cant see anyone getting off the bus, or getting on


and im saying that the buses are used to bring BASIJ forces INTO the crowds.

they drive in, open the doors and the basij walk in the middle of the protest and blend in.

think about it, its like to opposing armies, government on one end, protestors on the other.
They cant simply walk straight at the protestors, they needed to be embedded in the middle.
Thus the buses



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by open_eyeballs
why is the word "POLICE" written in english on the polices uniforms, and not in their native language?


Special protective gear purchased from a Western country.

They don't need to be in Farsi. Everyone know what they are.

Mike



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:37 AM
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Yes, last night compared to the days before the protestors were a little less violent.
But the Guardian reports 12 people were killed from gunfire.

There's another protest tonight, i dont think it will be as peaceful.
The people now know, some were shot last night and died.
They will not be peaceful tonight.

There are some youtube video's out of the shooting at the people.
I cannot see it at work but i will post tonight.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Some people are hearing them talk Arab, because the persians apparently started protesting WITH the crowd. This hasnt been confirmed.


Let's clarify this:

YOU read an anonymous report or two on Twitter with those bits of information, and you've been repeating them over and over as though they're the gospel truth. You have no way of determining if the people making those allegations are even IN Iran.

Wanting something to be true - as you clearly do - will not make it true.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:41 AM
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no,
When your involved with Iranians who fled these people, and have families sitting around discussing this, you tend to ignore crap like that.
I ask them questions, they tell me about it.
These people lost loved ones to the governemnt
These people fought in the Iran-Iraq war.
These arent people that care about standing or righteous crap


using arabs has been done before... which makes sense that they would do it again when the iranian police JOIN protestors.

And i think ive said almost every time that this hasnt been confirmed, its just being stated.


This hasnt been confirmed.

Or did you not see this bit?

Edit to add:

You do know that when they/we/i say arab we dont mean the government asked Egypt or Syria to send some people dont you.
You do know Iran trains Hezbollah IN ITS OWN country.
You do know Iran helps and supplies Hezbollah dont you.
And you do know that Hezbollah are arab.. dont you.

So, why would it be so hard to believe that the people Iran TRAIN, in its country 'could' be used for physical work that the Iranian police force refuses to do ?

[edit on 16-6-2009 by Agit8dChop]



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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aaahh..your right..im trippin...i though tthat opening was a bus...obviously a tunnel there...guess i should have **opened my eyeballs**



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Or did you not see this bit?


I saw it - and you're still guilty of misrepresenting the facts. You're presenting a wild, unsubstantiated rumour as (a) being attributable to multiple individuals and (b) being something that is being actively investigated (unconfirmed report) - when you have no information to suggest that it is. More than that, you use those rumours to try to justify your analysis of events - which muddies the waters further.

You've been relying on twitter factoids throughout this thread, and you just seem to ignore it when things you've posted from tweets prove to be false. There's enough rumour and speculation going around, and at this stage if any sense is to be made of what's actually going on, facts - verifiable facts - need to be presented. Otherwise, what's the point?



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:56 AM
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certainly doesnt need to be in farsi, but i find it odd that whenever something of this nature happens the english word POLICE always finds itself on the backs of the local authorities...from iIran to Africa, to south america to india and even far east asia i believe...like there is some underlying reason for it...

could be complete coincidence as well...just sayin its always there.

[edit on 16-6-2009 by open_eyeballs]



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 01:01 AM
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Of course,
When it is the only mean of news coming from the country, you tend to read it and want it to be true, I dont doubt that some of what is reported is false, and I dont doubt ive fallen for it too.

So does that mean we should ignore it?
We could, your right. We could do what the MSM is doing and ignore it.

Or, we could talk to other Iranians who have been involved in this stuff, and see what they say. We could present things that are being reported, and place a

'' this hasnt been confirmed yet ''

So people know,

'' Ok, so this has been said, theres no confirmation ''

Your a grownup, your meant to be able to decide for yourself.
Instead of lambasting those who are trying to share whats going on, how about you add instead of dismiss and ridicule?

Tell me, do you have a family of 11 who you stay with, that were put in prison in Iran, that watched brothers die at the hands of the government? that faced the UN, that went to war? that watched the revolution and that talk with people on the ground in Tehran and Shiraz?

If you do, and they are telling you decidingly different things to what im saying, please let me know. Id be glad to discuss and debate, if you dont, then i assume you do have some sort of knowledge or placing in Iran to try and tell me what im posting is lies or crap?

Please then share it ?

Or would you rather I just stopped posting in this thread altogether?
and report what the MSM is reporting

'' illegial protests today in Tehran ''
?





posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 01:17 AM
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Don't get your knickers in a twist.

There's a lot of rumour flying around right now. You're clearly aware of that.

All I'm asking if for you to stop relying so heavily on rumour and unsubstantiated fact. Not everything coming out of Iran - whether it's over the phone or over twitter or via the MSM - is a fact. Not everything that's being said is without ulterior motive.

You're obviously very close to this - your posts here show that. You're obviously very much in favour of revolution - that's your business. But facts are facts, and fiction is fiction, and rumour is rumour. All I'm asking is for you to exercise a bit more judgment when passing on information - because a lot of people don't read the fine print, like the guy about 10 pages back who seemed to be convinced that Iran's voting machines have been sent back to Diebold in Ohio, because it was in a tweet. Get what I'm saying?



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 01:29 AM
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I do, and thats fair enough.
For the record, id like to think im smart enough not to post bs twitts like the diebold thing,

im sure alot of people are reading twitter for themselves, and seeing the amount of stuff being twitted.

you'll find im actually not repeating 99% of it, only things here and there i are relevant and true.

Its like a sift.. i sift what i believe is relevant, people are free to sift what I say.

you dont kill break the sift if you dont like what comes out, you simply look more carefully.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 01:39 AM
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Something to keep in mind when you're sifting:

twitaddict.com...



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 01:53 AM
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An advertisement for humming bird?

whats your point with that?

I mean, if i read a tweet, found it was nothing but a spam advertisement, you think id post it somewhere?

You know what, if you want to continue this U2U me.
I just realised youve derailed this for over an hour



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 02:01 AM
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Pity no one bothered to read the excerpt and story from that Stratfor report.

A solid analysis of the current events. Guess more than a couple hundred words all at once might be too much to handle for some.


Essentially they think Ahmadinejad did actually win. For the most part we are being fed a version of Iran by Western Anglophones, they're called 'iPod liberals' and we like to believe they represent the thinking of the majority of the people. But they are a minority composed of the professional and student class.

Moussavi represented these people's interests and their visibility is high. But their numbers in terms of population is very low.

Ahmadinejad is seen by the unprivileged as a champion of the common man, fighting corruption, and keeping the nation secure. We rarely hear their voice, but most Iranians are piously religious, resent the newly created wealth, and have not forgotten the terrible war with Iraq that devastated a generation.

Mr A presents himself as their guardian and protector. They believe him when he tells how the country's hardships are imposed by external enemies only he can combat for them.

My own take is this election put up two different strains of bad guys. One for the ordinary working Iranian and the poor, one for the rich kids and liberalized women.

Elections are about getting the highest number of votes. The country made it's choice. If there was election fraud that has to be dealt with. Very hard to prove against an incumbent government. I'm sure they've destroyed the evidence already.

I'm sure this is not what people reading this may want to hear.

But maybe this election, honest or not, will at polarize the country. Change has to start somewhere.

Viva la Revolucion.


Mike


[edit on 16-6-2009 by mmiichael]



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
An advertisement for humming bird?

whats your point with that?

I mean, if i read a tweet, found it was nothing but a spam advertisement, you think id post it somewhere?

You know what, if you want to continue this U2U me.
I just realised youve derailed this for over an hour


What the... do you think I'm just throwing you random links here?

It's a program that allows people to manipulate the tweeter feed - use multiple accounts, bump their views, all kinds of things. There are dozens of services like it. It doesn't generate spam, it generates whatever you want it to, as many times as you want it to.

If you can't see how that kind of thing might be useful to someone trying to overthrow a government, or organize a spontaneous rally, or try to get people thinking taht the police are deserting... you need to get away from the computer for a bit.

As to who might be using it, I've made that point here: www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 02:32 AM
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This is an interesting insight into the allegations of electoral fraud from the BBC


What is the evidence of electoral fraud?

The way the result was announced was very unusual.

Usually, in all previous elections, the vote came in and was announced province by province.

In this case, the results came in blocks of millions of votes - in percentages of the vote.
As these blocks of votes came in, the percentages going to each candidate changed very, very little.

This appears to suggest that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad did equally well in rural and urban areas. Conversely, it suggests that the other three losing candidates did equally badly in their home regions and provinces.

This overturns all precedent in Iranian politics. We know Mr Ahmadinejad is very popular in rural areas and unpopular in the big cities.

We also know that in areas where there are regional and national minorities, anti-establishment candidates tend to do very well. Candidates always tend to carry their home provinces. Not this time.

No explanation, despite repeated questions, has been given by the authorities for any of this.

It is all very suspicious. But it does not necessarily mean there has been widespread electoral fraud.


Source



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 03:13 AM
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Well it looks like the pressure by the protesters has paid of as they are holding a recount!

news.bbc.co.uk...



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