Originally posted by Ace High

Originally posted by mmiichael

The government can counter with videos of whole towns celebrating Mr A's re-election, smiling children is schools, filled mosques, etc. Most Iranians only receive state run television. Maybe half the country is unaware this is happening.


Mike

True, but those Iranians aren't getting beat for being on the streets.

I understand the limitations of video, but with a media and internet blackout going on, the fact that people are working hard to get these videos out should mean something.

Actually now they are being beaten been reading twitter feeds they are indeed under attack from the police and people has been shot from what i read. there getting around the INTERNET filters by using ahmadinejad own website watching several come thou there as well as a statement from ahmadinejad advising people on twitter why they cant re hold the election i was shocked as to the reason!

ahmadinejad .
The primary reason we can not have another election is Diebold machines are already on way back to Ohio, USA. #iranelection
19 minutes ago from web

He actually said the reason that cant do it is the machines were sent back! i think hes loosing it How difficult would it be to call the company and say exscuse me we need those again. Second who knew the machines they were using were from the United States ill bet the CIA will be ab led to do a vote count or had all ready downloaded the information even before the election finished and they know who won.

[edit on 6/14/09 by dragonridr]

Originally posted by Manouche
I am not comfortable with the revolution 'live' on screens like we are at the movies. They want us to see it all, but who and why ? If I were in the middle of a rebellion, I am not sure I would be hanging around the internet uploading videos...
Something is wrong. The regime can easily prevent the videos to flow out of Iran.
They have arrested Mousavi and people that took over the US Embassy during the Iranian Revolution. No way these are 'opponents'. It does not add up.

Doubting our own eyes is the one thing that all government control works for.

If we look and we see something that is clear as day... and we question what we are seeing, we delay our personal decision making process.

It is a personal choice we have to make... do we trust... can we trust what we see? It is a measure of our ability to analyze information in critical moments... like driving a car in heavy traffic.

IMO, the images are genuine... unless they were staged in Hollywood. My analytical crisis center says they are real and however they made it to the web, I am grateful for a world that needs to see them.

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[edit on 14-6-2009 by redoubt]

The latest video with Iran in the title was posted 16 hours ago. Now I know if people are able to use twitter they must be trying to post videos on youtube.

So why is youtube blocking this information??

There are two hard facts about Iran that bear keeping in mind.

1) Demographics: A huge majority of their population is young (under 25)...its like the 1960s in the west except more extreme...I can't remember the hard numbers but its basically the opposite of the ageing Western/Japan developed economies which are experiencing shrinking birthrates. (Young Iranians are unlikely to have as many kids as their parents, however, so we shouldn't extrapolate exponential growth.) This makes for more "dynamic" politics, intergenerational conflict, possible radicalization of youth (although not necessarily along Islamist lines...the emerging radicalization could take the opposite form with "radical secularism," for example).

2) Resources: Oil is the major pillar of the Iranian economy and the country is expected to run out of the ability to export in 10-15 years.

Originally posted by Ace High
The latest video with Iran in the title was posted 16 hours ago. Now I know if people are able to use twitter they must be trying to post videos on youtube.

So why is youtube blocking this information??

Easy answer the same reason they block things from china they have an agreement with Iraq. Google does the same thing go to google china and try to google tienemen square not one link to the uprising.

Originally posted by Ace High
The latest video with Iran in the title was posted 16 hours ago. Now I know if people are able to use twitter they must be trying to post videos on youtube.

So why is youtube blocking this information??

Thanks to all your support from around the world. It's a dire situation, surrounded by blood, death, and crying #iranelection

Betrayal from the "free world".

That is why.

I never had a doubt.

Tweet updates:

University of Tehran under attack by Basij forces

4x GPRS Mobile networks are down in Tehran, although people are still finding ways to tweet

Iranian secret police have surrounded the hospitals in Tehran, refusing anyone with injuries to enter



Come on Persia, rise up.!

I was out of town for the last three days and didn't much follow what was going on in Iran.

First, I Have heard the news from ''MSM'' and since I don't trust them, specially over these kind of issues.

I can't say wheter it is a revolution going on, or if it is localized to big cities, or simply Tehran. Is it simply an american or an Israeli wishfull thinking ?

I saw the vids, and if I was too consider an overthrown or a revolution from these; Then it would be long now that the tea Parties all over the States, would be by now a civil war in the US.

We saw a girl with a scratch on her knee. That is scarry isn't ?

We saw far worse lately In US, In London, in Georgia, all over the world and nothing happened.

I remember the cities of France burning a couple years ago and nothing has changed.

Down South they even elected a guy for change, and did something change afterall ?

I don't blame folks asking for a change, even in Iran.

Some folks considered the Iranian election as a mockery since in blogs and twitters and others forum, a vast majority of proponants are for a change in Iran and survey gave the opposition winner.

The problem is the acces to new technologies; They are used mainly by the youngest and the richest living in big cities where they they can access internet. I mean those begging for ''The change''.

But I don't think the majority of Iranians are wired like here.

Some surveys made prior the elections from internet and twitters might have mislead us in the appreciation of the situation, or worse they could indeed serve as a justification for an another intervention.

Our own wish to see a change there might misguide us in the interpretation of the events.

As an example in Canada, the Liberals are constantly elected in Québec, they must get some votes somehow, It's a total mystery to me, I don't know folks claiming to support them. They are elected.

Like Nixon explained: The silent majority......I guess and we must take in account that maybe most of Iranians are happy like it is.

Change is appealing to some but real freightening to others.

We all want to be perceived as the good guy. And we expect the Iranian people to be good friends with Us and the western world.

But what have done to them lately ?

Overthroned a duly elected government, Installing The Shah, that runned the country with an iron fist for 25 years.

We push a war ( Iraq- Iran ) which caused 1 million Iranian deaths by giving Chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein, and missile capabilities.

Could our wish to see changes in Iran to be an hidden desire to see changes in our own countries, since we don't have the bollocks to get the job done by ourself in our own backyards ?

Wait and see.

There will be no storming the palace regime change this week, this month, this year.

From what I've been told a good portion of the population, mostly young, have had their first intoxicating drink of public rebellion with their Green Revolution dream these past few days.

Iranians are hopeless romantics but worldwide Islamic Revolution is not their cup of tea.

That is, unfortunately the fantasy of the very old man who is calling the shots for the nation.

Mousavi brutally ordered the execution of tens of thousands of political dissidents in his day. Don't be surprised itf something like this happens again.

Khameini is unlikely to soften up. Best guess is he will blame the liberalizations of the Internet and Western media infiltration. It goes without saying we will hear about the US, Israel, CIA, Mossad in the background. Adne the Shah's son will make some press releases.

But Pandora's box has been opened for young Iran. And ironically inspired by a campaign for President by the one of the worst enemies of rebellion Iran has ever known.

No predictions on this one except to expect the unexpected.

Mike

The spirit has left the bottle, and it is good.

We shall now see who all is against freedom and with what lousy excuses.

The paradigm of warmongering will fight against this uprising from all over the world. Politicians will shut their eyes and keep feeling around.

But Elvis has left the playground and is well and alive.
Freedom is like that, never better but when free.