NASA's Climate Time Machine

Hi guys, I came across this article saying about NASA's time machine which is basically an interactive feature that enables us to see changes to earth over the past 100 years.

The interactive features are,


The purpose of this.


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MMN

The time machine can be accessed here,
JPL Climate Time Machine

It paints a pretty stark picture on the average global temperature fluctuations and the CO2 level.

I think even if we somehow got rid of all the harmful toxins in the air we would still see global warming. Just like man didnt cause an ice age back thousands of years ago, man cannot be held responsible for the equal and opposite reaction.

It seems to be a global trend/cycle.

run quick
The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

co2 is a small part of the equasion, water vapour accounts for 95% of green house gasses, so how about we reduce the sun for 12 hours a day and stop evaporation.
makes as much sense as global warming

reply to post by peacejet

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What I don't get is, if the polar ice caps have reduced so much in the past 10 years, why aren't we noticing rising sea levels world wide?

reply to post by munkey66

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I will agree that your point is valid, however, this is a cause for concern.

Whether we cause the effect or not, we must be prepared and educated to deal with the problem, regardless.

If we simply sweep under the carpet every study that comes up with the words Global Warming on them then we won't ever learn anything.

It's the term that's mis-used not the problem.

~Keeper

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Hi there, we are actually experiencing a sea level rise.


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Wiki

The thing is we wont see a sudden sea level rise, but a gradual one, with a steady rate and that too world wide. Imagine a sea level rise world wide and think of the major cities which lie at sea level or below sea level. You will get the idea.

reply to post by phi1618

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I have told this many times in other threads. Think of the time scale over which this is happening. Progressive warming and cooling over thousand years is no big deal. But if the change occurs within 100 years, it will surely ring the alarm bells.

Global warming is just a term used to describe this. And this global warming causes climate change. Did I use the term Global warming?

First of all understand that it does not necessarily mean warming alone. It can cause any existing weather to become more extreme.

Take a look at this post in one of ubuntu forum.



Ubuntu forum

reply to post by peacejet

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melting an ice cube will initially appear slow until it gets small and then the rate of melt is fast, similar to global meltings, initially slow with the remaining reduced ice melting fast.
truth is that no one alive today was alive during the last ice age, so we can have no accurate records reguarding the last melt, we can hypothesize and use man made computer models, but they are only as accurate as the data put in them.
the data usually will give a desired result and if not, data ommitted or cherry picked to get the result that one would assume the result should be.

So, you are accepting that the ice will melt fast in the future?

reply to post by peacejet

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Just because I don't believe in man made global warming does not mean I do not believe in global warming

I agree, you only need to look at Mars and Pluto which have been going through a warming stage too. Yet no men up there.

It's a natural cycle of the planet. And while a lot of ice is melting (that is what ice does), a lot is also growing. The Antarctic has been growing this year; some glaciers have also been increasing in size.

And the records they use and compare these weather changes to are only for the past 100 years and a little more... the world is about 4 billion years old.

So in the big picture of things, not much is really happening.

The planet is going through a "climate change" but it's natural, always has been and always will be.

Mikey

reply to post by munkey66

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Dude. How many times should I tell you. Global Warming is just a term to explain the increasing temperature. It causes climate change. Now I am talking about climate change and its damages. Understand. We are now talking about the freaky weather caused by this climate change. The recent cold spell is caused by this climate change.

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Dude
how many times do people have to say that we have always had a climate and it has changed for the last 4.5 billion years, I am pretty sure there has always been freaky weather, it just wasn't reported because we only had cave walls to record it on.

Australia has records of a cyclone crossing the coast on every month of the year, even though cyclones are only meant to occur during our summer months, these cyclones occured well back in the 1700's and 1800's

was there a rise in carbon emmissions from the horse drawn carts back then?

Due how many times do I have to say to look at the timescale over which this is happening. Climate change over a thousand year is one thing and within a hundred year is another.

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You are making a big assumption that the end of an ice age takes thousands of years, you are going off evidence given by people who have an agenda, they cherry pick data that suits them and then neglect to mention that certain information was added which was later found to be unreliable such as black earth data as well as ice core data which has been shown to be inaccurate.

so if you put incorrect data into a computer model with a pre determined outcome of course it will look like it is all happening so fast,

no one was around who can actually verify how long it takes for an ice age to end or even begin, records have shown a mini iceae which in itself goes against the trend, how do the experts explain that?

do they somehow blame solar radiation as a factor then but not now?
do we have a different sun now?

Do you know how easy it is to fall for well put together propoganda?
I have nothing against renewable energies and saving the planet, but when co2 becomes a commodoty and has a monetary value, corruption will take place.

Sure, save the planet, but do not put a tax on breathing to do it, because before you know it, you are a slave to those who own the carbon credits and you will be in debt just to breath.

Sorry if this comes across as really dense as I'm not a believer in man made cllimate change. I think it's all down to sun spot activity. But what I'm really interested in is this rising of the seas as the ice caps melt. Surely the amount of water which is displaced by these massive icebergs and the ice caps is more or less the same as if it melts? The big problem, as I've been told, is the harm this will do to the Gulf Stream.

Now, did I ask you to pay taxes?

This is what irritates me. I just want to prove that global warming/climate change(more apt term) exists. Thats all. You need not pay taxes to combat this. You can make all the difference. Conserve energy, recycle things. Thats all I am trying to say.

Combat Global Warming/Climate Change

The only reason they now call it “Climate Change” as opposed to “Global Warming” is because in 2000 when the earth began to cool down again they started to look a bit silly.

From the 1940' - 1970's they were telling people we are cooling down and if we don’t stop the way people are living then we will have an ice age, it was Called Global Cooling, then in the 80’s and 90’s it started to warm up, so they had to quickly change it to Global Warming, then since 2000 it started cooling again, they felt a bit sill and thought, oh we’ll just call it “Climate Change” that way it covers them either way.

I don’t think anyone here is saying “Climate Change” doesn’t happen. What we are saying is that it’s a totally natural cycle and the earth has always been changing, so there while recycling is good, it’s not going to change the outcome.

Mikey


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