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Judgment Day: Broke California Faces Shutdown

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posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 06:54 PM
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It's definitely not a good thing, but California has made its bed and its time for them to sleep in it. Unfortunately, socialism doesn't work and Cali needs to fall and we all have to feel the effects, this is the only way things are going to change.

Cali's fate needs to become a grim reminder of why socialism is a very very bad idea. The corruption needs to be outed and people keep voting for the corruption and this is the only way for things to change for the better.

Life is hard and not fair. You can call me an *hole and whatever else, but it's time for some people to face the music. Those last two sentences aren't aimed at you.




posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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For those of you that say Californians brought this on....whatever! We regular citizens have no control of what our state govt is doing any more than you do in your own states. I have personally voted for tax increases every year, particularly for education and health and saftey related. Do all of you in your states have to pass bonds and pay for your schools to be built? We do. If we need a school we have to jump through some expensive hoops to convince our neighbors to take on more taxes for that new school. Our state gives a small percentage towards these new schools, but not much. I also do not know too many people (in my state)that have voted for the welfare system we have now. First of all it was voted in before my time,(many moons ago) secondly, no one I know agrees with the farce that we should pay welfare recipients more for having extra kids, just to name one ridiculous item of that system. I have personally voted against giving anything to illegal aliens ( I am not haeartless, but we need reform and this was a start), and years ago we actually passed a measure that would stop this, but it got overturned,, citing it was unjust.

Just like all of you in your states, we Californians try to do our best here, but we are not heard, and we have such a great large state that attracts so many to it, that we have that much more we have to figure out.

It is unfortunate what we may be going through in the very near future, but I can not say I blame Arnold, this was a long time coming. I fear the change, but I welcome it. It would be great to shake loose the weighty items bringing down our state govt. Next comes federal!



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:04 PM
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-Billions yanked from educational budget in general, with a SHORTER school year

The article says "His more radical proposals include wiping billions of dollars from the education budget, with the school year shortened and larger classes." Does this mean he HAS CUT them already? I think this is just a proposal.


-All strays killed after 3 days

The article says "Even stray animals will no longer be kept alive for the statutory three days." The 3 days is the minimum they would have to keep them alive. New minimum is going to be 0 days, apparently.

[edit on 13-6-2009 by Kaytagg]



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:07 PM
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Let me correct your correction. He did not say "Hundreds of Thousands" he said "Hundreds OR thousands"
Take a look at your own quote =)

Edit- lol, looks like you caught it.


[edit on 13-6-2009 by Common Good]



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:08 PM
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We regular citizens have no control of what our state govt is doing any more than you do in your own states.


Yes you do. The people in California are the ones that elect people to represent you in the State government.

I understand that not everybody deserves what is about to happen to them, but its the way the wind blows.

The fault is on the people of California for numerous reasons. Don't try to pass blame.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:13 PM
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Theres no reason anyone should call you a hole Has. What you are saying is very true. Its apparently a very mis managed HUGE Economy and a complete failure. I was just reminding those that are clapping for it and wanting it to happen.

Yes it's going to happen, Yes it was doomed to happen due to bad politics, economics etc. But it will have repercussions spreading across ALL of the U.S. and probably the World.

What will happen to postpone it or patch it, i have no clue. Im just stuck on this shortbus with no brakes and stuck throttle, just like the rest of you.

Silver

edited cuz first sentence didnt make sense


[edit on 13-6-2009 by S1LV3R4D0]



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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What madness is this? California has failed, not because of it's people but because of those they placed their trust in. There will be reckoning but it will be at the ballot box. Remove the self interested politicians and believe in civil action.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:22 PM
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As someone who was born and raised in California, I can tell you, this was a crisis 20 years in the making. So don't bother blaming Arnie.

The problem is simple: massive social programs require loads of tax money. To get tax money, you need:

TAXPAYERS.

Taxpayers are people who pay taxes, and thus, have some form of LEGAL income. Of course, taxpayers do not especially enjoy giving large amounts of their income to the govornment to support a bunch of projects made to help people who contribute nothing to society, so about in the late 80's, there was a large diaspora from California to other states where the cost of living and taxes were actually sensible, and people could not only afford to live, but have something to show for it.

THus, as California's taxpayers left, so did California's state income. However, instead of reading the freaking writing on the wall and realizing people simply did not want to pay for a bunch of social welfare programs that they themselves never used, nor saw any benefit to, and start either cutting down programs or taxes (or both, preferably) California kept on chugging out the quasi-socialist BS that was attracting layabouts, illegals, and criminals, but driving away their cash cows, the taxpayers.

Their spending and ideas simply did not match the reality of what the people wanted, and many of the people of California voted with their feet. I was one of them. In 98, I moved up to Seattle and never looked back.

What is happening in California is simply 20 year old chickens coming home to roost. Everytime I go back there to visit my family, I see more and more how wise I was to leave.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:30 PM
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I hear you. I don't want it to collapse because it's going to effect everybody's way of life.

I don't understand how people can cheer on such a crazy event. I don't think people actually realize the implications of an event like this.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 07:37 PM
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Very Well Said Skadi!!! I would seriously like to ditto that whole dam post.

Gonna have to go ahead and hit ya with one of the star things up there^^^

Silver



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 08:15 PM
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I say let california implode , that way the global meltdown and survival boards will become more active.! anyone agree?

[edit on 13-6-2009 by wiredamerican]



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 08:54 PM
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Well Here is an idea. The state needs to force the banks to reevaluate everyones property values and readjust the loans accordingly. The banks are partially to blame because they handed out loans left and right to illegals and people than couldn't afford to pay the notes. The property taxes need to be reevaluated to a more reasonable level that people can afford. Taxes need to be reevaluated to more reasonable levels to attract corporations and hard working families. The state also needs to go through all of its salaries and its pension plans and cut them all to reasonable levels. There is no reason that a fire fighter or a cop should be making 100k+ a year and I'm sorry but thats rediculous. Then they need to take all the illegals whom are on the public dole and run them out of the state. Until the changes are implemented nothing will get fixed and everyone has to suffer. The problem with collectivists they believe in spreading the pain around instead of taking the pain themselves. It's total bull# that they are cutting education and police protection because thats what I as a tax payer pay for and that is what I want paid for. I do not want to pay for some welfare mother that keeps getting knocked up and continually makes stupid ass decisions while the fathers roam the streets free not doing their manly duty. I'm sorry but thats my opinion and as a tax payer I expect certain services and welfare isn't one of them because Lord knows I'll never qualify because I have pride and a work ethic unlike the leeches on welfare that expect a hand out every election.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by silent thunder

And words from the big man himsel:

"Mr Schwarzenegger, whose popularity has plunged to levels that George W. Bush would recognise, told lawmakers in Sacramento, the state capital: “California’s day of reckoning is here. Our wallet is empty. Our bank is closed. Our credit is dried up.”

[edit on 6/13/09 by silent thunder]


Well, I heard someone say that this is the reward when you vote a former bodybuilder into office.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 09:00 PM
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Ya know....the last time I burried my head in the sand all I got was a mouth full of dirt!


Im just saying.....



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
There have been plenty of actors who made fine politicians and statesmen. Sonny Bono, Clint Eastwood, Ronald Reagan, etc... Hell Roy Acuff of country music fame even ran for Governor of Tennessee...


And don't forget our good buddy Jesse Ventura, arguably the best state governor ever.

Give that man a cigar.

And some spandex.



posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 11:43 PM
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What no one has stated yet, is the scariest thing of all. Man is just two hot meals and an afternoon of electricity away from total anarchy.
It's not the well off, the employed, the working folks that are going to feel this first. It's going to be the unemployed, the illegal, the criminal element that are going to riot.

I feel very sorry for anyone in that state right now.



posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 12:06 AM
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You know this is a crime of the highest order. California is the largest state by population and taxed heavily. For them not to have money and to be crying poor is a crime against the people and someone needs to be held responsible. Arnold isn't it though, it is the elected congress and senate who couldn't pass a proper budget and stick too it without implementing programs that would hurt and be wasteful. A total reorganization and reelection of officials needs to take place and they need to put in people who are fiscally responsible and not trying to take some pork where none is available.



posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by S1LV3R4D0
 


It's definitely not a good thing, but California has made its bed and its time for them to sleep in it. Unfortunately, socialism doesn't work and Cali needs to fall and we all have to feel the effects, this is the only way things are going to change.

Cali's fate needs to become a grim reminder of why socialism is a very very bad idea. The corruption needs to be outed and people keep voting for the corruption and this is the only way for things to change for the better.

Life is hard and not fair. You can call me an *hole and whatever else, but it's time for some people to face the music. Those last two sentences aren't aimed at you.


Why don't you learn what Socialism is then use that word, okay?

California is NOT a socialist state. So one socialist state in the biggest Capitalist nation in the world? Makes a lot of sense, not.

I myself live in California and I'm surely not looking forward to this



posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 01:38 AM
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Wow. As a Californian - that really sucks!



posted on Jun, 14 2009 @ 02:05 AM
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When California goes down...the rest of you will follow.

The amount of Loan defaults on Commercial property and Residential as the jobs disappear, will tank the rest of the banks and drain the FDIC dry.

The Fed can send trillions out the door to Banks and Auto Industries, but can't loan a measly 30 billion to it's own state.

Games rigged and the Joke is on us..



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