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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:26 PM by mblahnikluver
reply to post by mpriebe81



Couldnt have said any better! I myself am one of those who would die since I dont have health care. My job doesnt offer it and I cant afford it on my own. I pay cash when I go and they always give me a hard time. I went to the ER last summer for a kidney infection and the lady in billing got an attitude because I didnt have insurance. I told her I would pay cash for the visit. I paid 150 bucks and then paid the rest off in payments. I swear it seems if you have cash for anything they want plastic.


reply posted on 15-6-2009 @ 08:34 PM by ElectricUniverse
No, he is taking $300 -313 billion dollars from medicaid, and medicare to pay for part of his new healthcare reforms.

This is why in one of the bills, that I am not sure yet if it has passed, part of their plan is to make the government dictate, if it is economically viable, what sort of treatments patients will have, instead of doctors making the call.

Also any doctors, and hospitals who don't follow this new procedure will be "penalized".

Since this money is being taken from medicaid, and medicare, it will impact low income Americans, and mostly the elderly.

"More details about public insurance and how lawmakers intend to pay for overhauling the health care system, which could cost more than $1 trillion, are likely to emerge this week when the Senate Finance Committee releases a draft bill. To ease concerns about cost, Obama said Saturday the administration could squeeze $313 billion in savings out of Medicare and Medicaid over the next decade."

www.cbsnews.com...

The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”

Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.

New Penalties

Hospitals and doctors that are not meaningful users of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)

www.bloomberg.com...


reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 10:23 AM by Keyhole
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
No, he is taking $300 -313 billion dollars from medicaid, and medicare to pay for part of his new healthcare reforms.



This just doesn't make ANY sense to me!!!

So these people that are not going to be receiving health care from medicaid or medicare are going to be switched over to his new health care plan, wouldn't that SEEM like all this money would still be paying for these same people, just under a new "health care plan/name"!

How is this going to help pay for the millions of "NEW" people that are now going to be on this "NEW" health care plan?

This new health care plan, I believe, is going to be disastrous!

Canada & Britain
Socialized failure: dissecting health-care data from Britain, Canada, and elsewhere.
he Problems with Socialized Health Care
Kidney cancer patients denied life-saving drugs by NHS rationing body NICE
Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage
NHS under fire over waiting times
Why Canadians Purchase Private Health Insurance
The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
Canada's Medical Nightmare
Hospital urges patients to stay away unless really ill
New Zealand
On the waiting list roller-coaster
Australia
Public patients wait longer for surgery
USSR
Socialized Health-Care Nightmare
Russia's Health Care Is Crumbling: Dire Lack of Funds Creates Sick, Dwindling Populace And 'National Emergency'

And the list of articles and facts goes on and on with all the failures and pitfalls of a government run "socialized" health care system.

[edit on 6/16/2009 by Keyhole]


reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 01:04 PM by Leo Strauss
16 thousand American Doctors support a single payer system.

Link

We live in a community. We should help each other when we really need help!

Why is that so scary to some of you?

The majority of bankruptcies in the US are health care related!

A society should be judged by how it treats "the least" among us.

Take the profit out of insurance! They are parasites nothing more with their goal of "maximizing profits" at the expense of sick and dying human beings.

Disgusting!

[edit on 16-6-2009 by Leo Strauss]
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