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Topic started on 13-6-2009 @ 03:47 PM by Frankidealist35
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US President Barack Obama said Saturday he had found more than 300 billion dollars that could help his government make health care available to
all Americans.
The announcement means that the president’s health care reform project, estimated to cost around one trillion dollars, would be almost fully
financed.
“And I have made a firm commitment that health care reform will not add to the federal deficit over the next decade,” Obama said in his weekly
radio address.
He said that to keep this commitment, his administration had already identified how to pay for the 635-billion-dollar down payment on reform detailed
in the budget proposal submitted to Congress earlier this year.
“So today, I am announcing an additional 313 billion dollars in savings that will rein in unnecessary spending, and increase efficiency and the
quality of care - savings that will ensure that we have nearly 950 billion dollars set aside to offset the cost of health care reform over the next
ten years,” the president pointed out.
rawstory.com...
Wait a second-- let's just wait. How did he find this money?
So he just printed more money... or used whatever money hasn't been printed already and now he's using it for health-care?
I'm completely lost.
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 03:49 PM by bvproductions
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Hmm...Perhaps Bill Gates dropped some on a morning stroll down the street?
Finders keepers, Obama...finders keepers...
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 03:52 PM by mpriebe81
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Along with the dollars that they're likely printing up as you've stated, they'll probably just cut some funding out of something important such as
Education in order to make this ridiculous bill a reality.
It's funny how the author of this article considers 1/3 of 1 trillion as "almost fully financed". Spin spin spin, then spin some more!!!
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 03:55 PM by disgustedbyhumanity
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This money is supposedly coming from lower drug costs and money they won't spend providing services to the uninsured. If the focus goes to preventive
care then this amount will seem small based on the future svaings that will provide.
Of course my mind went immediately to $143 billion discovered going into Italy.
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 03:59 PM by FlyersFan
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He 'found' 300 billion, but the health care would cost 1 trillion??
So according to Obama's math, it's covered? 
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:06 PM by mpriebe81
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This bill is absolutely ludicrous, and I just cannot WAIT to bleed out in the ER waiting room while sitting in line behind 200 other people who are
also dying.
Not to mention all of the poor uninsured bastards who will be refused treatment and die as well.
The Feds really seem to have gotten a handle on this population control thing, haven't they?
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:26 PM by mblahnikluver
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reply to post by mpriebe81
Couldnt have said any better! I myself am one of those who would die since I dont have health care. My job doesnt offer it and I cant afford it on my
own. I pay cash when I go and they always give me a hard time. I went to the ER last summer for a kidney infection and the lady in billing got an
attitude because I didnt have insurance. I told her I would pay cash for the visit. I paid 150 bucks and then paid the rest off in payments. I swear
it seems if you have cash for anything they want plastic.
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 04:34 PM by octotom
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Gosh, I wish that I could just find and extra $300 billion laying around!
Maybe America should stand up and, instead of thinking for the now, think about the future. It is infinitely more important to pay off the national
debt before going for luxuries like universal health care. No one [that is sensible] would go out and buy a brand new BMW when they are about to go
bankrupt. Why do these politicians insist on chasing after this when the country is about to go under?
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 07:23 PM by TheAmused
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Don't you love the new obama administration...His open book policy's and all lol
the man is crooked as G.W.B ever thought about being.
Simply because he used G.W.B as a tool to get elected...did he not...
That make's him a hypocrite lol
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 09:17 PM by MysterE
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
He 'found' 300 billion, but the health care would cost 1 trillion??
So according to Obama's math, it's covered?
Don't forget he "set aside" 634 Billion from TARP
And I have made a firm commitment that health care reform will not add to the federal deficit over the next decade
WHAT How on earth will the 634 Billion from TARP not "add to the federal deficit" THis is ridiculous! This rock star will get his healthcare
reform, that is as sure as it is that the media not cover it objectivly.
..won't add t0 the deficite.. pfft... please. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining
-E-
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 09:42 PM by Ferris.Bueller.II
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I wonder if Michelle found it going through his pants on washing day? 
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reply posted on 13-6-2009 @ 09:46 PM by jerico65
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Obama math.
He tripled the deficit, then said he's going to cut it in half by the end of his term.
Suppose the deficit is $100. He triples it to $300, then cuts it in half.
That's $150. Still more deficit than what was there when he took office.
But, since this is Obama doing it, everything is going to be fine. Just fine.
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reply posted on 15-6-2009 @ 05:15 PM by stander
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Wait a second-- let's just wait. How did he find this money?
"Barack, honey, I think I lost my debit card."
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reply posted on 15-6-2009 @ 08:34 PM by ElectricUniverse
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No, he is taking $300 -313 billion dollars from medicaid, and medicare to pay for part of his new healthcare reforms.
This is why in one of the bills, that I am not sure yet if it has passed, part of their plan is to make the government dictate, if it is economically
viable, what sort of treatments patients will have, instead of doctors making the call.
Also any doctors, and hospitals who don't follow this new procedure will be "penalized".
Since this money is being taken from medicaid, and medicare, it will impact low income Americans, and mostly the elderly.
"More details about public insurance and how lawmakers intend to pay for overhauling the health care system, which could cost more than $1
trillion, are likely to emerge this week when the Senate Finance Committee releases a draft bill. To ease concerns about cost, Obama said
Saturday the administration could squeeze $313 billion in savings out of Medicare and Medicaid over the next decade."
www.cbsnews.com...
The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked
electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will
help avoid duplicate tests and errors.
But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make
sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your
doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book,
“Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like
solo practitioners.”
Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity goes too far.
New Penalties
Hospitals and doctors that are not meaningful users of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the
bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518,
540-541)
www.bloomberg.com...
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reply posted on 15-6-2009 @ 10:10 PM by amari
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Where did Obama find $300,000,000,000 extra dollars please tell us we would all like to know. Surely not from a hike in taxes that could not be, from
the poor and elderly surely not. In Somebodies freezer?
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reply posted on 15-6-2009 @ 10:13 PM by RenDMC
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Originally posted by mpriebe81
This bill is absolutely ludicrous, and I just cannot WAIT to bleed out in the ER waiting room while sitting in line behind 200 other people who are
also dying.
Not to mention all of the poor uninsured bastards who will be refused treatment and die as well.
The Feds really seem to have gotten a handle on this population control thing, haven't they?
Hey us Brits have had it for years.
Prepare for waiting six hours in the emergency room, then another 5 hours on an actual ward just to be told it's a water infection.
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reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 10:23 AM by Keyhole
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
No, he is taking $300 -313 billion dollars from medicaid, and medicare to pay for part of his new healthcare reforms.
This just doesn't make ANY sense to me!!!
So these people that are not going to be receiving health care from medicaid or medicare are going to be switched over to his new health care plan,
wouldn't that SEEM like all this money would still be paying for these same people, just under a new "health care plan/name"!
How is this going to help pay for the millions of "NEW" people that are now going to be on this "NEW" health care plan?
This new health care plan, I believe, is going to be disastrous!
Canada & Britain
Socialized failure: dissecting
health-care data from Britain, Canada, and elsewhere.
he Problems with Socialized Health Care
Kidney cancer patients denied life-saving drugs by NHS rationing body NICE
Girl, 3, has heart operation cancelled three times because of bed shortage
NHS under fire over waiting times
Why Canadians Purchase Private Health Insurance
The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
Canada's Medical Nightmare
Hospital urges patients to stay away unless really ill
New Zealand
On the waiting list roller-coaster
Australia
Public patients wait longer for surgery
USSR
Socialized Health-Care Nightmare
Russia's Health Care Is Crumbling: Dire Lack of Funds Creates Sick, Dwindling
Populace And 'National Emergency'
And the list of articles and facts goes on and on with all the failures and pitfalls of a government run "socialized" health care system.
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reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 01:04 PM by Leo Strauss
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16 thousand American Doctors support a single payer system.
Link
We live in a community. We should help each other when we really need help!
Why is that so scary to some of you?
The majority of bankruptcies in the US are health care related!
A society should be judged by how it treats "the least" among us.
Take the profit out of insurance! They are parasites nothing more with their goal of "maximizing profits" at the expense of sick and dying human
beings.
Disgusting!
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reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 01:15 PM by jam321
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I am sure all of the projections were based on good case scenario, not a sinking economy. How many more billions will all of this truly cost us won't
be known until the future? By then they will be telling us it is unsustainable.
I also have problems with the cuts in Medicare and Medicaid. Whatever happened to taken care of the young and old.
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reply posted on 16-6-2009 @ 01:18 PM by marg6043
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He is lying to us all, the initial cost to jump start the health care reform is a whooping 1 trillion or more 300 billions is peanuts and if
he is going to just start with that, then people hold on to your private insurances because emergency rooms are going to get very busy very soon.
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