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Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
Originally posted by Jakes51
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Christians are taught to turn the other cheek and forgive their enemies. However, since the anti christ is said to be the Devil himself in human from; forgiveness toward him is futile because he will never change or get better.
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The reason for forgiving your enemies were not because they should change.
What if you forgive your enemy and he continues to do you wrong? When is it ok to finally retaliate?
In the book of Matthew Peter asks Jesus the same thing. Peter asks, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" Peter thought that forgiving someone seven times was pretty generous but Jesus replied by saying, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven."
Jesus doesn't literally mean that somebody gets exactly 490 chances for forgiveness, and then you stop. What Jesus is trying to say is that you give them how ever many chances it takes.
In other words - you should indeed forgive even Satan.
Originally posted by SharkBait
You don't have to forgive Satin. Just your fellow man- Satin is not Human he's a Fallen angel -doomed to destruction. He you can bind, cast out cast down etc etc etc .
Matthew 7
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Originally posted by SharkBait
He is able to do it, but cannot as his word is above all things- His word says that we have the right of Choice. and he has laid out a plan for us. This is his word, if he goes against his word and interfere's with our daily world as you so wish God to do then he's Breaking his word which he cannot do as God is all perfect and unable to do that.
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Originally posted by Jakes51
Originally posted by SharkBait
You don't have to forgive Satin. Just your fellow man- Satin is not Human he's a Fallen angel -doomed to destruction. He you can bind, cast out cast down etc etc etc .
Christ says to forgive our enemies and Satan is one of our greatest enemies. Who are we to judge him? It is God's role to judge so let Him cast judgement and consternation on Lucifer His fallen angel. In terms of the anti-christ he will take mans form and isn't it a christians duty to forgive even the most wicked according to Christ's teaching. Forgiveness doesn't mean you are accepting what the anti-christ is about or what he is selling.
Originally posted by anarcissus
But wait, What if your God is the Devil?
As in the man whom bears the number of the beast 666.
That same man you will come to learn is the same man who wrote your entire New Testament, because if anyone here has ever been to church as of late, then you would know that they have been teaching to ignore the Old Testament.
Flavius Jospehus A.K.A. Arius Piso and the Piso Family wrote the entire New Testament to enslave the masses to worship the Beast and his Image.
Watch the video, It'll do some good.
And can anyone even point me to a scripture where The Christ who walked this earth asked people to make a book about his life and document how to dictate people's lives?
It seems apparent to me he walked this earth to save people from the bondage and close-mindedness of the competing religions that were in existence during the time of his walk.
I'm also rather confident of the fact he knew these sects were going to use his teachings for a source of power over the entire world
I mean why else would he challenged Priests at the Temple, the Pharisee's, the Essenes, etc??
It is because he knew these same groups would STEAL his teachings after he died to further enslave the masses and bring them along to hell with they're already damned souls. The Christ was AGAINST organized religions during his day and he will be AGAINST THEM ALL when he returns!
From John 10.
32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
(He's telling you that we all are gods!)
35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
(If its in the Holy book that we are Gods then we cannot break what the Most High has written as law and statue.)
36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
He only asked his followers to believe in him and the father (the life source) and you will be granted salvation, he never said believe in a man about what he has to say about him or the religion that promotes his word.
That isn't believing in the father & son, that's just believing whatever comes your way.
[edit on 14-6-2009 by anarcissus]
Originally posted by Nightchild
reply to post by watchtheashes
However, that was not the topic of this thread.
And ofcourse they will use Spaceships, why wouldn't they? Why do "WE" use Airplanes, trains, cars Etc? Because it is comfortable and even nearly impossible to move between areas otherwise.
They have been using flying crafts all since they came to this planet. Yes, even the entity that got called 'God' came down in a "UFO".
Under any normal circumstances you almost make sense, except for one thing.(That’s if you believe in the Bible of course) The bible says this “man” who brings about peace is “satin himself” trying to get the people of the world to worship him.
Originally posted by JesusisTruth
wow I reread my post. Please forgive me for cursing so much.
I'm so sorry.